Why was the Sharks broadcast team so upset Kadri wouldn’t fight last night?

[WestCoast CyberG]

Kadri lets his mouth do all the fighting no need to drop the gloves and do anything, better to just beak off and walk away it worked for Cooke.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

As mentioned - they scored roughly 1-2 seconds after the Goodrow penalty ended. Whether or not that was a deciding factor or not it still swung in the Leafs favour almost instantly.

Fluke goal...definitely...but it was still likely as a result of having had the extra man.

No it didn't because the Sharks scored like three minutes later to tie it up and later took the lead into the intermission.

 

[koyvoo]

In this particular scenario people need to forget about loving or hating a team or player, separate themselves from that type of emotion and understand this-

Any team in the league, from 100 years ago to well past 100 years from now, who has a 40 yr old legendary player on its roster and feels that player was disrespected will go over the top to try and show they wont tolerate it. The legitimacy of whether or not that player is actually disrespected or to what degree is irrelevant.

Any team the league who has a 40 year old legendary hall of famer that feels that player hasn’t been shown the ultimate respect will go over the top to try and make a point about it. Every team.

It’s always been like this and it always will be like this.

 

[8816 others]

At first I thought maybe Kadri had done or said something during the warmup to get them pissed off. Then I was wondering if Bartlett and Millen had also not paid attention during the warm up or had failed to do their homework before the game to know why. When the beard incident came up, I still didn't get it. What a silly thing to be upset about and hold a grudge over. In a sport where collar grabbing is a part of fights, you knowingly put your beard at risk.

 

[kducks]

This is what I saw happen.

Honestly I didn’t really even notice the PBP getting that upset. San Jose usually has great broadcasts.

I missed the puck drop, but it was at the end they got particularly heated. PBP guy was screaming how Kadri "really won't go with anyone tonight" after Kadri took punches to the back of the head and finally swung and clocked the guy punching him. Leafs were up at the time and Kardi would have been stupid to drop them and possibly swing momentum to the Sharks at the end of the game. I didn't see anything he needed to answer to really.

 

[A4T1L6]

thats awesome lol

 

[hatterson]

No it didn't because the Sharks scored like three minutes later to tie it up and later took the lead into the intermission.

They went into the intermission 3-2 instead of 3-0 since both of the Leafs 1st period goals were related to penalties taken against Kadri.

 

[Warden of the North]

Yes of course, I'm sure Naz was just minding his own business playing a clean, quiet game when the big bad sharks started antagonizing him.

This thread is dumb.

Sharks took a roughing penalty off of the opening faceoff. They were angry at Kadri right from the start.

The only thing I can figure is the beard fight from last season, which Thornton actually started

 

[shakes]

The only people who look bad are those who didn't see the game. Look, I know it's Kadri and all but they were trying to fight him off the start. He was slew footed, he got hit to the back of the head a few times. Sharks players were targeting him the whole game. Even the coach acknowledged this



This has everything to do with Kadri and Thornton's fight last year when Kadri got some of his beard hair during it.

I guess the NHL will never learn. A coach feeling comfortable admitting that he sent his players out to hurt another player... oh, I'm sorry, to make another player answer the bell. At least he didn't instruct him to make Kadri "pay the price". Seriously, it's all well and good until someone gets really hurt by the BS and that's when the NHL takes notice. If they keep allowing this pre-arranged headhunting bullshit, they are going to get sued again. You'd figured one disgrace (Bertuzzi) would be enough but nope.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Kadri has fought a few times but he is another one of those cowardly rats. I'm sure he did something to earn the attention. Seeing above, yes it all makes sense.

For some reason I doubt you would say the same if it were Marchand

 

[aufheben]

No it didn't because the Sharks scored like three minutes later to tie it up and later took the lead into the intermission.

Yeah it was 1-1 with like 55 minutes left to play. Toronto’s next 4 goals were all off the rush caused by San Jose breakdowns.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Once again - they gave up 2 PPs (one of which led to a goal), negated a PP and instead went 4 on 4 on another (if I recall the Leafs also scored on that 4 on 4 but I may be mistaken?). How is that not an impact? Who cares if the Sharks came back? There are very few goals scored in any given game - the Leafs needed 4 to win, and because the Sharks were stupid from the moment rubber hit ice, they got one of the 4 they needed.

So I'd say it had - at minimum - a 25% impact on the Leafs win.

Edit: Nope - I wasn't wrong. Kapanen's first goal came on the 4 on 4 (which should have been a Sharks PP).

You're arguing something different. Saying that x isn't a reason why a team lost a game is not saying that x is not an impact. The reason why the Sharks coming back and eventually leading after the period matters is because it shows they were other reasons why they lost that game well after the opening faceoff of the game. But that 4 on 4 goal with Kapanen was just poor officiating. The zebras had no business giving Meier a penalty in that situation. But again, it's not why they lost. They lost because no matter what the situation, the Sharks hang their goalies out to dry with poor turnovers and poor coverage that they need to clean up.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yeah it was 1-1 with like 55 minutes left to play. Toronto’s next 4 goals were all off the rush caused by San Jose breakdowns.

Agreed and those breakdowns don't have anything to do with Kadri or really anything the Leafs were doing. Those breakdowns have been happening all year and they are not adjusting their play style.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

They went into the intermission 3-2 instead of 3-0 since both of the Leafs 1st period goals were related to penalties taken against Kadri.

The Tavares goal can happen to anyone at any time. It's merely coincidental that it happened after an expired penalty. The Kapanen goal was poor officiating and an awful turnover. That is par for the course for San Jose this season. You give Kadri too much credit for what is circumstantial more than anything else. These things are things that the Sharks have needed to clean up all season and have failed to do so.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The Tavares goal can happen to anyone at any time. It's merely coincidental that it happened after an expired penalty. The Kapanen goal was poor officiating and an awful turnover. That is par for the course for San Jose this season. You give Kadri too much credit for what is circumstantial more than anything else. These things are things that the Sharks have needed to clean up all season and have failed to do so.

I agree that Kadri didn't have to work very hard to antagonize the Sharks, but they obviously had the wrong priority this game. The Leafs got 2 goals after the Sharks had 2 dumb penalties going after him. The Sharks should have game planned a bit differently

 

[hatterson]

The Tavares goal can happen to anyone at any time. It's merely coincidental that it happened after an expired penalty. The Kapanen goal was poor officiating and an awful turnover. That is par for the course for San Jose this season. You give Kadri too much credit for what is circumstantial more than anything else. These things are things that the Sharks have needed to clean up all season and have failed to do so.

I'm not giving Kadri credit for anything, I'm saying the Sharks were dumb.

Also your entire argument is based on circumstantial stuff, specifically that the Sharks responded after the goals and thus the penalties that led to them don't matter.

 

[Positive Vibes]

cant stand kadri, he didnt fight anyone because he cant fight. With the broadcast team though if they were mad because of the thorton beard thing from last year thats pretty petty

 

[LMFAO]

Nazem Kadri never backs down and would have mop the floor with Melker Karlsson

 

[wmark]

Kadri is living rent free in San Jose.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I agree that Kadri didn't have to work very hard to antagonize the Sharks, but they obviously had the wrong priority this game. The Leafs got 2 goals after the Sharks had 2 dumb penalties going after him. The Sharks should have game planned a bit differently

They had one dumb penalty. The other penalty was a bad call. Pretending like it all influenced how the Sharks played or the result is being overly generous.

I'm not giving Kadri credit for anything, I'm saying the Sharks were dumb.

Also your entire argument is based on circumstantial stuff, specifically that the Sharks responded after the goals and thus the penalties that led to them don't matter.

Nothing about their game changed due to the incident. That's the point. It's not why they lost. People thinking it is are pretending like it got them off their game. It didn't.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

They had one dumb penalty. The other penalty was a bad call. Pretending like it all influenced how the Sharks played or the result is being overly generous.



Nothing about their game changed due to the incident. That's the point. It's not why they lost. People thinking it is are pretending like it got them off their game. It didn't.

why are you so intent on dying on this hill? Teams who are on their game don't take a penalty that leads to a goal against right from the opening face off, nor do they take runs all game that lead to other goals against

 

[All Mod Cons]

Sharks got absolutely schooled by Kadders last night.

What was with Melker Karlsson? Turning his back and ducking away. Had the chance to fight him but Melker lost his bottle.

Sharks very easily put off their game last night. Something to remember in future.

 

[RoloTonyBrownTown]

I don't have a problem with anything anyone did - Goodrow, Melker Karlsson, or Kadri (last night, the beard pull last season was either a dumb mistake or pure chickenshit if intentional) - that's all hockey. I am a little annoyed with Deboer specifically sending the 4th line out there to start the game to go after Kadri though. That's the kind of thing that can wait until, I don't know, literally almost any other time.

The Sharks problem last night was their defensive coverage though, not two of their fourth liners trying to goad Kadri in a fight.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

why are you so intent on dying on this hill? Teams who are on their game don't take a penalty that leads to a goal against right from the opening face off, nor do they take runs all game that lead to other goals against

It's not dying on any hill. You guys are simply wrong on how much influence it had on the game. Teams on their game absolutely take penalties that occasionally lead to goals against. And certain Shark players have a tendency to play physically. If you think the Sharks altered their game because of Kadri or the fallout from the faceoff stuff then you're obviously not informed enough to talk about it because the way they played last night after that stuff is exactly how they've always played this year. They lost because of the same bad giveaways that they have been doing all year. Those things would've happened with or without the opening faceoff stuff.

 

[hatterson]

They had one dumb penalty. The other penalty was a bad call. Pretending like it all influenced how the Sharks played or the result is being overly generous.



Nothing about their game changed due to the incident. That's the point. It's not why they lost. People thinking it is are pretending like it got them off their game. It didn't.

They gave up two goals directly related to penalties taken because they were upset at Kadri. I don't care if it affected the game outside of that, it allowed the Leafs to score two goals and the Sharks lost by two. It's really that simple.