Why is Winnipeg the only Canadian team that consistently makes the playoffs yet has a strong prospect pool?
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jetsforever
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I'm not going to comment on other teams but WPG's management seems pretty good at drafting and tends to build the team from there rather than trading away assets for established guys. Our prospect pool isn't as good as it used to be at the moment but it's decent.
What time line are you using for consistently exactly?
Also Winnipeg has and has had an okay prospect pool but nothing to get excited about.
Bjornar Moxnes
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Jets have missed the playoffs once in the last 5 seasons. Their prospect pool is clearly in the better half of the league. Not elite of course, but still good.
BLNY
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Hughes has been the GM for 2.5 years. KK was 2018. Then they picked 15, 16, and 31. They've tanked two years. Only a teenager thinks two years is "forever".
Montreal has been "tanking" since the 21-22 season.
GeeoffBrown
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I think that Kevin Cheveldayoff is a VERY patient GM. Also, I think he recognizes that Winnipeg is a place that a lot players don't wanna go, so they pretty much have to build through the draft. And they have been forced many times to trade away players that wanted to leave, so you just sort of naturally accrue draft picks and prospects in these situations.
Uncharacteristically they gave up a lot of draft capital at the deadline this year, for a team that only made it 5 games.
Uncharacteristically they gave up a lot of draft capital at the deadline this year, for a team that only made it 5 games.
Sure but their pool increased exponentially with their 3 first round picks in 2022 before that their prospect pool wasn't all that great.
Even now ESPN has their pool rated 15th but time will tell.
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"Tanking forever" ?
If we count since the Jets returned, Montreal missed the playoffs 7 times, including 3 times after their Finals run.
Since the Jets returned, they've missed the playoffs 6 times.
7 times is rebuilding forever, 6 times is "consistently making the playoffs" ? Seriously?
Duke749
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We got great value when we had our top picks(top10-15). And Hellebyuck.
We’re also pretty patient with our prospects so maybe they look a little better since they tend to be further along while still in the system.
We’re also pretty patient with our prospects so maybe they look a little better since they tend to be further along while still in the system.
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KirkAlbuquerque
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What’s so great about Winnipeg’s prospect pool?
Duke749
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If you have to go back 13 years to make it look close then you’re really really stretching. In recent years the Jets have been consistent unlike Montreal being up and down.
But I agree that the phrase “tanking forever” is pretty inaccurate.
Jets have had zero impact players since 2016(Laine) and one okay nhler(Perfetti). A prospect pool is irrelevant until it produces results. HF constantly over rates prospects.
JianYang
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Montreal didn't start tanking until late 2021.
Bergevin was still trading high picks and trying to replace veteran talent with other veteran talent right up until he got fired.
Tha tanking started effectively the summer when danault, price and Weber were lost for nothing, followed by the bergevin firing.
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Montreal has only tanked since that run
Also what is good about WPG’s prospect pool exactly?
Also what is good about WPG’s prospect pool exactly?
I don’t think Winnipeg has had a great prospect pool. It’s been lacking high end talent.
Oilslick941611
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Or Winnipeg in general. They have done nothing of note in their franchise history.
The easy answer here is Connor Hellebuyck.
Charlie Conway
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One thing that's kept them competitive is not having to make big trades to fill in their roster. Trading guys as they look unlikely to sign has helped them fill in their roster with quality depth.
Losing Trouba was a tough pill a couple years back, but getting Pionk was a built-in top-4 replacement. I do think they could use some help on D, though. After Morrissey, do they have that solid #2 guy? A lot of their top D prospects are puck movers.
What they don't have in that top-end talent, they have made up for with depth, and depth gets you enough to the playoffs, but the lack of the top-end ultimately hurts.
The picks they've had have overall been pretty good, but, looking at the roster, they could use an impact player or two in the pipeline, and you hope that's one or two of McGroarty, Lambert, Lucius, Barlow, or Perfetti. They're at least trending in the right direction, and you gotta be excited for a player like McGroarty if you're a WPG fan.
Losing Trouba was a tough pill a couple years back, but getting Pionk was a built-in top-4 replacement. I do think they could use some help on D, though. After Morrissey, do they have that solid #2 guy? A lot of their top D prospects are puck movers.
What they don't have in that top-end talent, they have made up for with depth, and depth gets you enough to the playoffs, but the lack of the top-end ultimately hurts.
The picks they've had have overall been pretty good, but, looking at the roster, they could use an impact player or two in the pipeline, and you hope that's one or two of McGroarty, Lambert, Lucius, Barlow, or Perfetti. They're at least trending in the right direction, and you gotta be excited for a player like McGroarty if you're a WPG fan.
JianYang
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Yeah I think KC understands the market and plays his cards appropriately.
This year, the jets were compeitive in the regular season so I don't blame him for adding some significant rentals. It didn't work out but I think they had the right mentality.
In the last 5 seasons Montreal is the 4th worst team in the league. .411 winning percentage.
Last 10 years, the 6th worst overall. 486 winning percentage.
They have sucked for most of the last 10 years but some continuously pump themselves over a fluke playoff run in an aberration of a season.
As for the Jets, they have been stuck in the mushy middle. Prospect pool is pretty darn good considering (McGroarty, Lambert, Barlow, Salomonsson, and Divicentis).
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Weird, they had missed the playoffs 3 times in the 7 seasons before going to a cup final but you can ignore that if you want
Literally have been the most successful Canadian team over the last decade lmfao
JianYang
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Stating a team sucks or is mediocre is not the same as saying that a team is actively tanking.
A tanking team would not be keeping around guys like price, Weber, and petry or actively signing free agent guys like radulov, toffoli or to a lesser extent, perry.
Bergevin was not in the tanking game, and he would often try to sell the market that there's certain players that get you to the playoffs, and then certain players that get you through them.
Although the habs played 6 rounds of playoff hockey in the two covid seasons, most fans here were lamenting his approach of "make the playoffs and then anything can happen"
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