He is under rated. He always protects his players and the media hates him. They paint him as some kind of horrible person. To me he looks like a players coach. He knows how to win.
The modern Lightning team adopted his style and won back-to-back Cups with it, after coming up short repeatedly with a faster-paced attacking game.One playoff series win in a decade. There's not much proof his style works in the postseason in the modern, much more faster, NHL.
Don't really see the hype. The Flyers didn't try and tank and were 7th worst in the NHL last season. Bit of gun jumping to celebrate 7 points in 6 GP thus far, they'll likely be well out of the Playoffs again. They definitely need to make sure they have a different coach before Michkov arrives or Torts will likely exile him back to Russia after the first preseason game.
Not Larry Brooks
The Flyers started better last year and we had this same thread last year.The dude can do his job. Flyers' roster is probably bottom 6 in the whole league, but the team's results are much better than this.
“Heads I win, tails you lose “The modern Lightning team adopted his style and won back-to-back Cups with it, after coming up short repeatedly with a faster-paced attacking game.
Again, Torts gets hired to turn around crap teams with little in the way of quality players - just because his teams don’t have the talent to go deep in the playoffs doesn’t mean his style can’t be (or hasn’t been) effective with better personnel.
I ask you again: what Torts-coached team in recent years would you say had the talent to go deep in the playoffs? For all you run your mouth you keep conveniently ducking that question.“Heads I win, tails you lose “
His teams win - he gets all the praise for the “system”
His teams lose - there wasn’t enough talent, or if there is, they just didn’t have enough machismo to execute the system.
So you’re saying cup aspiring teams have no interest in Torts? Hmm…I ask you again: what Torts-coached team in recent years would you say had the talent to go deep in the playoffs? For all you run your mouth you keep conveniently ducking that question.
A lot of player-friendly coaches are clueless and don’t last, or the veterans walk all over them. A common denominator for nearly all winning coaches is they command respect regardless of how overt their style is. Coach K, Dean Smith, Dusty Baker, Bochy, Cooper all have their angry moments and practiced occasional blame displacement. Not every player liked playing for them.
In Torts’ case with Philly, they literally needed a harder hand, except he’s not passive-aggressive like Vigneault and he’s nowhere near as abrasive as he was in New York or Vancouver. He still has a temper but it’s clearly the exception nowadays.
Believe or not, many players still like and perform better for tough, demanding coaches.
So you’re saying cup aspiring teams have no interest in Torts? Hmm…
“Bro he tells it like it is”Because he’s a loudmouth blowhard jackass and his schtick gets old fast??
“Bro he tells it like it is”
It was entertaining at first but it just comes off as whiny now.
No, because I'm not the one that made the presumptive statement that Torts style isIf you’re saying that, are you not just tearing down your own “heads I win, tails you lose” argument?
Of which the burden of proof is on the original poster to show, given I rebutted the statement by showing he has only won one single playoff series in the last decade, the original claimer's counter to that was to somehow giving him credit for the Lightning winning 2020 and 2021, which is just ridiculous.proven to work in the postseason;
Sure but he also wears out his welcome really fast.Love Torts, he's entertaining and the man knows how to coach
His tenure in Vancouver was definitely rough, especially the Lack/Luongo heritage classic momentSure but he also wears out his welcome really fast.
When he came to the Canucks I gave him the benefit of doubt, mainly after hearing him on an interview saying he was driving cross country to come here with his rescue dogs, but his time in Vancouver was too much about him.
“Heads I win, tails you lose “
His teams win - he gets all the praise for the “system”
His teams lose - there wasn’t enough talent, or if there is, they just didn’t have enough machismo to execute the system.
No, because I'm not the one that made the presumptive statement that Torts style is
Of which the burden of proof is on the original poster to show, given I rebutted the statement by showing he has only won one single playoff series in the last decade, the original claimer's counter to that was to somehow giving him credit for the Lightning winning 2020 and 2021, which is just ridiculous.
Not sure how to prove a negative, which is essentially asking me to prove it DOESN'T work in the postseason when the original poster is the one that made a positive normative statement that it in fact is proven TO work in the postseason.
Hence me pointing the original poster has set out a situation that is impossible for their claim to be rebutted, because when there is winning, it proves the success of Tort's system, when there is not winning, it is also not the proving of the counter, because they will retreat to "the players are not talented enough".
Hence, my claim of "heads I win, tails you lose". No matter what, Torts looks good. Either the system works or the players stink. Either way, Torts looks good in the eyes of the Torts Truthers.
fodder for the fake rage crowdWhy is it that coaches nowadays that enforce discipline with their players and/or don't suck up to the media are considered bad?