Why is Norway not good at hockey compared to Sweden/Finland?

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The reason is this:

In Norway hockey has a bad reputation and is viewed as a sport for bullies and short-tempered troublemakers. It garners little interest and there is no real desire among the Norwegian public to change its views of the sport. Actually it is the second most watched team sport in Norway (in attendance) but doesn't even get a fraction of the attention that women's handball gets.

Secondly there is no real tv-coverage to speak of. Some games are shown on channels unavailable to many people or on pay-tv, which of course is akin to preaching to the congregation. It doesn't make any new fans that way. If more games were shown on bigger stations and the media bothered to inform properly about the sport that could change, but don't really see it coming. The world cup will ensure some attention, but they always fail to capitalize on it. Games aren't advertised properly either.

Thirdly, there are next to no rinks in Norway outside of the Oslo area. Look at the list of teams in the Norwegian top flight and all but two play within a two-hour drive from Oslo. There are no teams north of Trondheim worth mentioning. Hockey is popular in certain areas of the country, but the large masses remain ignorant. Even Norway's second biggest city, Bergen, cannot support a hockey team.


Fourthly, the sport is run by amateurs. All you ever hear is of more financial troubles surrounding clubs and there is little professionalism in the teams or in Norwegian hockey federation, leading to a no development.

Fifthly, for all the reasons above Norway aren't just any good at hockey which of course completes the vicious cycle. Not doing well equals no media exposure equals no new fans.

Finally, the idea that Norwegians prefer individual sports is not true. By far the biggest sport in Norway is football (soccer). Both in terms of players, tv-audience, attendance and media coverage. In the summer months it is the all-encompassing sport and most poeple have an opinion. In winter however, skiing takes precedence for three main reasons:
1. We're the best in the world leading to lots of coverage.
2. Virtually everybody in Norway goes skiing or knows how to ski. It is the national pasttime for five months of the year and any given Saturday and Sunday the woods get overcrowded with skiers.
3.At weekends National tv runs 8-hour monster broadcasts covering all sorts of winter sports, but no hockey. Skiing, skating, alipne skiing and biathlon dominate.

I think that hockey could grow here but it requires a major change in the perception of the game by the general public.
Pretty much all of this.

Also, most of the indoor arenas were built ages ago, and since there are no significant investments from the government, the majority of the arenas aren't exactly state of the art. When you're in the arenas you feel like you're an actor in a hockey movie from the 80s :laugh:
 
I would love to see a smaller country just say, **** it, let's invest in a whole bunch of fetus hockey equipment, a huge advertising campaign and the best coaches in the world (read: Marc Crawford) and in 30 years take over the hockey world. Try it in Norway, get all the great 5-6 year old athletes in hockey academies, throw Victoria Silvstedt on TV in some skimpy hockey gear (Swedish girl, I know) and get Crow to yell at them with his high pitched drone.

Top-5 team within the century!
 
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I think if Norway could produce a stud player or two in the vein of a Mats Sundin, Peter Forsberg, Saku Koivu, etc. I think the interest in the sport would rise considerably. As it stands now though, young people don't have a national figure to embrace and help kick start the sport.
 
I would love to see a smaller country just say, **** it, let's invest in a whole bunch of fetus hockey equipment, a huge advertising campaign and the best coaches in the world (read: Marc Crawford) and in 30 years take over the hockey world. Try it in Norway, get all the great 5-6 year old athletes in hockey academies, throw Victoria Silvstedt on TV in some skimpy hockey gear (Swedish girl, I know) and get Crow to yell at them with his high pitched drone.
I'm sure an entire country is going to take up a sport because of an advertising campaign :shakehead
 
I'm sure an entire country is going to take up a sport because of an advertising campaign :shakehead

It has happened before - in a bunch of caribbean countries.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/57469.stm

http://www.academia.edu/4517740/Cal...f_the_West_Indies_as_a_Cricketing_Super_Power


Despite the West Indies cricket team having the world best cricketer, a bunch of superstars, and an extended period of dominance in the sport they still declined.
 
I think if Norway could produce a stud player or two in the vein of a Mats Sundin, Peter Forsberg, Saku Koivu, etc. I think the interest in the sport would rise considerably. As it stands now though, young people don't have a national figure to embrace and help kick start the sport.

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt, but I'm not sure it would significantly increase the sports popularity either. Would a single player who spends his career playing in the middle of the night half a world away really have a huge impact on the sports profile with the general population?

If by some fluke the best Handball (or Cricket, or Rugby, etc) player in the world was Canadian would the sports popularity in Canada increase all that much? I think if this single player resulted in Canada becoming a legit contender in Handball it could get a lot of people interested, the problem with team sports is you need more than one good player. With hockey you have an additional problem because being a star in the NHL likely means a player is often going to be unavailable to play for the national team in major/important tournaments.
 
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Norway is the richest Nordic country, if they put more money into infrastructure they could become better than Denmark.

Don't know how people can say they're better than Denmark though. Olympic qualification doesn't mean much; Denmark easily produces more high caliber players than Norway.



Hockey is arguably the most popular team sport in Switzerland. Not even close to the most in Austria.

football is much more popular in switzerland than hockey, not even close.
 
No it hasn't, according to your own article itself: "the influence of American sport through the omnipresent satellite television has been greatly exaggerated as a reason for the sharp decline in new cricket talent".

I guess they could go full USSR?
What does that even mean? In which team sport did the USSR perform any better than you would expect given their population? :huh
 
I would love to see a smaller country just say, **** it, let's invest in a whole bunch of fetus hockey equipment, a huge advertising campaign and the best coaches in the world (read: Marc Crawford) and in 30 years take over the hockey world. Try it in Norway, get all the great 5-6 year old athletes in hockey academies, throw Victoria Silvstedt on TV in some skimpy hockey gear (Swedish girl, I know) and get Crow to yell at them with his high pitched drone.

Top-5 team within the century!

Funny thought, but you forget the essentials: there are no places to go play. There is no equipment available in sports stores outside the Oslo area, there is no money within the federation or the teams.

As I've said before: in Norway the sport needs a facelift - bad. It needs to get rid of its reputation as a violent outlet for uneducated bullies and yes - it needs a few stars, players of world stature to change the perception of the sport.
Mats Zuccarello gets a fair bit of attention, but it's only him and not the sport as such.Norwegian Hockey games still go unnoticed by everyone but the diehards.
 
Norway is and always has been a powerhouse in pretty much all the winter sports except for hockey.

Another reason is the Gulf Stream and Norway's mountainous landscape. Sweden and Finland are mostly very flat (ideal for outside rinks) and the warm Gulf Stream doesn't affect us as much it does for Norway. So that explains why there is hockey traditions in Sweden, Finland and Russia and not in Norway (and Denmark).

And I'd also guess that top athletes like Petter Northug, Marit Björgen or Aksel Lund Svindal make almost as much money as an average NHL-player with their rich sponsors?
 
What does that even mean? In which team sport did the USSR perform any better than you would expect given their population? :huh

Well, Soviet hockey virtually didn't exist until after the war. The Soviets didn't even participate in World Championships or Olympics until 1954. And they went from nothing to the best outside North America in a decade and by the mid 60s they had become too good for non-NHL Canadians.
 
I am curious, in a standing of popularity among all the sportsmen in Norway, Zuccarello where would be? behind who?

Right now after his breakthrough season in NHL I would say that he’s not behind anyone. There are a lot of Norwegians now that have read about him in the newspapers and watched sports-news reports on TV. They are slowly starting to learn and realize actually how big achievement this is for a Norwegian athlete.
 
Well, Soviet hockey virtually didn't exist until after the war. The Soviets didn't even participate in World Championships or Olympics until 1954. And they went from nothing to the best outside North America in a decade and by the mid 60s they had become too good for non-NHL Canadians.

Thank you.

I wasn't being serious when I suggested a country should just up and decide hockey is their new thing, it was purely fantasy.

Still, imagine a country throwing all their resources at the sport, as much money as possible, all the best kids, the best coaching and the best gear. It would be a really interesting experiment.
 
Shame that they think that ice hockey is just for violent people. That is like somebody would think that skiing is just battle of medical laboratories.
 
Well, Soviet hockey virtually didn't exist until after the war. The Soviets didn't even participate in World Championships or Olympics until 1954. And they went from nothing to the best outside North America in a decade and by the mid 60s they had become too good for non-NHL Canadians.

Yeah, but they have had a longer history in Bandy, and it was pretty easy to transform from that game to hockey. Same ice-skating on a soccer sized ice with sticks but playing with a small ball... Russian have played it already from 18th century...

(Ice)-Bandy was born before Ice-hockey... Ice-hockey is a North American version of it.
 
Shame that they think that ice hockey is just for violent people. That is like somebody would think that skiing is just battle of medical laboratories.

Not really, medicine is not a part of skiing, but violence is a part of hockey. I love hockey and like that it can be a rough sport, but I think fighting and overly hard hits (just for the sake of making a hard hit) are aspects that the game could do really well without.

I can understand if people that are not interested in the sport have that opinion, it's the same here in Switzerland with people that are out of touch with hockey. You can often hear "oh no, I don't like watching that, they always fight". As long as there are people who think that fighting or obliterative hits are a main reason to watch this sport, these opinions probably won't go away.

Also, :laugh: at Norway being the best nation at skiing. (Sorry I had to, but seriously?)
 
Don't know about 'best nation' but they had the most medals in skiing at the 2010 olympics .

Not just 2010 , in the last 20+ years Norway has been virtually unchallenged as the best overall skiing nation in the world. Other countries can compete in individual events but none come close in sheer breadth. Norwegians DEMAND gold in every skiing event, that's how things are here
 
Not just 2010 , in the last 20+ years Norway has been virtually unchallenged as the best overall skiing nation in the world. Other countries can compete in individual events but none come close in sheer breadth. Norwegians DEMAND gold in every skiing event, that's how things are here
In Turin Austria won more medals than Norway.
 
Not just 2010 , in the last 20+ years Norway has been virtually unchallenged as the best overall skiing nation in the world. Other countries can compete in individual events but none come close in sheer breadth. Norwegians DEMAND gold in every skiing event, that's how things are here

You're kidding, right? With respect to nordic skiing, yes, but alpine skiing and ski jumping? Not likely.
 
You're kidding, right? With respect to nordic skiing, yes, but alpine skiing and ski jumping? Not likely.

http://www.olympic.it/english/medal/id_winter.htm

Thing is, Norways expects medals in ALL skiing and snowboarding events, except maybe women's alpine and men's giant slalom. No other nation does that. We don't have anything in the bobsleigh, skeleton, figure skating or short distance speed skating so no expectations there.

For the skiing World Championships Norway's medal count is 1st overall with 304 medals. Finland's 2nd with 194 and Sweden 3rd with 121. Pretty telling numbers
 
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http://www.olympic.it/english/medal/id_winter.htm

Thing is, Norways expects medals in ALL skiing and snowboarding events, except maybe women's alpine and men's giant slalom. No other nation does that. We don't have anything in the bobsleigh, skeleton, figure skating or short distance speed skating so no expectations there.

For the skiing World Championships Norway's medal count is 1st overall with 304 medals. Finland's 2nd with 194 and Sweden 3rd with 121. Pretty telling numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_skiing_at_the_Winter_Olympics

Austria has 4, in letters, FOUR times as many medals in alpine skiing than Norway. And that's not even counting ski jumping, where Austrians have been dominating quite a bit over the last couple of years.

Look, you're a great nation when it comes to overall winter sports, especially nordic skiing, nobody denies that, but your claim that Norway is the top nation in all skiing events just isn't true.

And, well, you can expect a lot, but that doesn't make it reality.
 

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