Why is Auston Matthews considered a top 10 player?

[Cotton]

117 points (in 3 less games) vs 100 =/= “7 more points in 3 less games”. And also better possession stats too, and others.

But in any case, now there’s an adjustment for age too? Is this what you do to justify worse numbers? Nice...

Super nice.

 

[nturn06]

What would be stupid is calling someone "generational" when every other generational talent before him was capable of doing more than creating assists. There's a long list of guys he hasn't been able to top in goals that no "generational" player would be behind. If he wants that kind of a title, he needs to put up.

OK, you convinced me, McD cannot score more than Kadri and that makes AM awesome.

You should know that you lost an argument when your best defense is to throw some thrash on a different player.

I know that this is a two way street, I think it is bad when our fans turn many McD threads into how bad AM is and I also think it is bad when you guys derail any AM thread into MacD sucks... But I guess it is hard to keep on topic, it is much easier to trash the other guy than defend yours.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What's wrong with Blake wheeler lol.

Nothing but saying he is better than Mathews is laughable

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Oil fans. Forever obsessed with Matthews.
Go pray that McDavid sniffs the playoffs again.

This is such a good response. Adds so many elements to a discussion.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Nothing but saying he is better than Mathews is laughable

But he is.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Shit, the Penguins missed the playoffs in Crosby’s first year, guess he wasn’t a generational player.

Same with Mario Lemieux. Guess he’s not generational.

Ditto for Ovechkin, who also missed the playoffs despite winning a Calder.

Does anyone else see how awful this line of thinking is? Who can actually believe this non sense?

 

[Cotton]

OK, you convinced me, McD cannot score more than Kadri and that makes AM awesome.

You should know that you lost an argument when your best defense is to throw some thrash on a different player.

I know that this is a two way street, I think it is bad when our fans turn many McD threads into how bad AM is and I also think it is bad when you guys derail any AM thread into MacD sucks... But I guess it is hard to keep on topic, it is much easier to trash the other guy than defend yours.

Are you joking, you were doing the same earlier in the thread. You, vancity and swisscheese have been stroking out over the last several pages and now you think you can set yourself apart as a reasonable poster?

 

[KULEMINakajesus]

before his first injury I genuinely believed he was a top 10 player in the league. He hasn't looked anywhere near as dominant since his return and I don't think most rational leafs fans are parroting top 10 anymore.

 

[Holymakinaw]

But he is.

LMAO. Ask 31 GM's who they'd rather have on their team, Matthews or Wheeler. 31 of them will pick Matthews.

 

[Muston Atthews]

If any of the team is going to a cup "now"and they need 1 player

Wheeler or Matthews?

10 out of 10 the team will pick Blake Wheeler.

Future for sure matthews 10 out of 10. NOW?
Its Wheeler if the guy is playing in Toronto he would be talk about 10x more...

They take the #1C all day every day who puts the puck in the net at even strength better than anyone else in the league I’d imagine. Matthews had more goals last year than Wheeler does this year and last combined. They also probably take the guy who has 5 points in 6 games in the playoffs than 7 points in 25 games

****, the Penguins missed the playoffs in Crosby’s first year, guess he wasn’t a generational player.

Same with Mario Lemieux. Guess he’s not generational.

Ditto for Ovechkin, who also missed the playoffs despite winning a Calder.

Does anyone else see how awful this line of thinking is? Who can actually believe this non sense?

It’s McDavids third year

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

But he is.

Based on what? Playing 10 games? I mean he should have more points with that many more games

 

[LeafFever]

He plays in Toronto.

Of course. That Phil Kessel got so many raves in Toronto. Same with Dion Phaneuf.

 

[LeafFever]

He leads the goals in Even Strength goals since he entered the league (4 ahead of Kucherov in the same amount of games played) and has the 5th best P1/60 of any player to play over 1000 minutes. He's 5th in total goals. He's earned his praise and has outplayed a bunch of people on your list during that time frame.

In today's game, this is simply an incredible stat for him to accomplish. That alone makes him a very, very good player.
It is so hard to score 5 on 5 goals and he has more than anyone since he started at age 19 last year.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

They take the #1C all day every day who puts the puck in the net at even strength better than anyone else in the league I’d imagine. Matthews had more goals last year than Wheeler does this year and last combined. They also probably take the guy who has 5 points in 6 games in the playoffs than 7 points in 25 games



It’s McDavids third year

Lemieux missed the playoffs later on in his career too. Does that not make him a generational talent?

Oh Gretzky missed the playoffs too.

What a ridiculous way of thinking.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Leafs could literally not play the first night of the season and you'd get people like FFC using his ranking in total points against him for that night

 

[LeafFever]

Funny, the OP says how Matthews is so overrated on here, all I see is how 57 point career player Jack Eichel is as good or better on here.
Leaf players get so much criticism the "Look What Jersey He Wears" excuse makes me laugh. The most criticized players usually play for the Leafs.

 

[authentic]

In today's game, this is simply an incredible stat for him to accomplish. That alone makes him a very, very good player.
It is so hard to score 5 on 5 goals and he has more than anyone since he started at age 19 last year.

And he's also great defensively and a very good playmaker. It's hard to fathom how some people don't realize just how good he is.

 

[LeafFever]

And he's also great defensively and a very good playmaker. It's hard to fathom how some people don't realize just how good he is.

All the stats back-up him being a great player. But that 5 on 5 most NHl goals since entering the NHL is stunning.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Lemieux missed the playoffs later on in his career too. Does that not make him a generational talent?

Oh Gretzky missed the playoffs too.

What a ridiculous way of thinking.

No one said that

 

[Drytoast]

Matthews will likely double or triple McDavid with jersey sales. I suggest you get used to talking about him.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

OK, you convinced me, McD cannot score more than Kadri and that makes AM awesome.

You should know that you lost an argument when your best defense is to throw some thrash on a different player.

I know that this is a two way street, I think it is bad when our fans turn many McD threads into how bad AM is and I also think it is bad when you guys derail any AM thread into MacD sucks... But I guess it is hard to keep on topic, it is much easier to trash the other guy than defend yours.

You may want to try and read what was being responded to and save yourself the bother of inventing arguments I never made, then trying to hold them against me. I never brought anyone into this thread. It's just your usual suspects who for some reason never get shut down for their constant trolling. Best part of that? I will get an infraction for stating that they are trolling rather than the problem being dealt with.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Obviously not. Do you think missing the playoffs takes away a players generational tag?

Me personally? No. Good players tend to lead their team into the playoffs and McDavid did that last year and will do it again. Hell, he hasn't even missed the playoffs this season yet.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

They take the #1C all day every day who puts the puck in the net at even strength better than anyone else in the league I’d imagine. Matthews had more goals last year than Wheeler does this year and last combined. They also probably take the guy who has 5 points in 6 games in the playoffs than 7 points in 25 games



It’s McDavids third year

Lemieux missed his first 5 years? Guess hes not generational.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Lemieux missed his first 5 years? Guess hes not generational.

Guess his team made the conference finals the year before he was drafted eh?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Combining last year and this year’s stats Wheeler has better possession metrics than Matthews on a worse possession team and he also has a 5 year history of being an elite defensive winger

hth


Wheeler’s career possession averages are better than Matthews best year possession wise

so is your argument that Wheeler's average performance defensively is better than Matthews' rookie performance, but Matthews is better currently? that's fair, I probably agree