Sure you could go back a decade but why not go back a whole 50 years and see all the dumb shit leafs management did. My Dad bought these books for me as a gag gift one Christmas and the things I read made me throw the books later on.
Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go? Late bloomers appreciation thread
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Sure you could go back a decade but why not go back a whole 50 years and see all the dumb shit leafs management did. My Dad bought these books for me as a gag gift one Christmas and the things I read made me throw the books later on.
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My issue with the Leafs letting Marchment go was that he was clearly a late bloomer who was improving gradually but relatively substantially every year.
Yes, he was an AHLer and fourth liner at best when we traded him but he hadn't yet stalled in his development in any way. Did anyone think he was going to be this good? No, but was he most likely going to be better than the time we traded him? His development curve said yes - he was improving every single year.
Yes, he was an AHLer and fourth liner at best when we traded him but he hadn't yet stalled in his development in any way. Did anyone think he was going to be this good? No, but was he most likely going to be better than the time we traded him? His development curve said yes - he was improving every single year.
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I don't even think you'll find many Stars fans who predicted the season he's having so far.
That said I'd still be surprised if he actually hits 90 points, but if he keeps pulling off moves like this, I'll be plenty satisfied.
Because there is no comparison between the 2 teams. How did they "pull a leafs" when they went and won a cup after letting him go?
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So it is a desperate attempt to find a scapegoat to make fun of rather than just enjoying the player?
Nah I think questioning Florida's pro scouting and cap management is deflecting when discussing why marchment was traded for malgin
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Mogo
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Huh? Hyman didnt want to sign with the Panthers
Carter Verhaeghe is a better comparision. Why did Leafs let him go
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BertCorbeau
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Ask Lou … he dumped him and a few other prospects for no particular reason to the Isles
And then Lou went to the Isles and let Verhaeghe go to UFA .. where he signed in Tampa and won a cup as a depth guy
Why didn’t Tampa re-sign him?
More than likely, they realized that his salary wasn't going to fit with their "core", just like they did with a dozen or more other players. When you're strapped for cash, you have to make hard decisions as a result.
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If I was a GM I would simply keep all of the players who end up being good and not keep the players who end up being bad
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I think there are two things here:
- one Marchment didn’t have eye popping AHL production and his skating was a concern. Therefore many (on the Leaf board) felt his ceiling was limited to a fourth liner. But to Marchment’s credit he found success on a team who put in a successful position. I don’t know if he does the same thing in Toronto.
- at the same time a player of Marchment style didn’t fit they style if team Dubas and Keefe were trying to build. An up tempo team with speed and skill. As we saw this blueprint for the club was a failure.
- one Marchment didn’t have eye popping AHL production and his skating was a concern. Therefore many (on the Leaf board) felt his ceiling was limited to a fourth liner. But to Marchment’s credit he found success on a team who put in a successful position. I don’t know if he does the same thing in Toronto.
- at the same time a player of Marchment style didn’t fit they style if team Dubas and Keefe were trying to build. An up tempo team with speed and skill. As we saw this blueprint for the club was a failure.
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Panthers were in a cap crunch that Summer, Barkov+Tkachuck were the only meaningful contract they sign for that Summer. The next largest was Luostorinen for 1.5M.
The Panthers had 2 PTO that year, there was no money to go around.
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Dubas/Keefe era was a full of guys that Keefe couldn't figure out how to use or get more out of. The top 2 lines did all the heavy lifting but he was given solid depth at times at squandered it.
Lost in all the talk of that Foligno trade was the Leafs getting Stefan Noesen and only using him for 1 game. He was actually "good" - but didn't use him again.
Lost in all the talk of that Foligno trade was the Leafs getting Stefan Noesen and only using him for 1 game. He was actually "good" - but didn't use him again.
The Leafs were and still are all about the 'Pretty Boy Trio'...
That said - Marchment is one of those who will have a few impressive seasons and a bunch of 'ok' seasons...He just happened to be fortunate enough to land on a team with the teammates, style of play, and coaching staff that's seeing him play to his best.
That said - Marchment is one of those who will have a few impressive seasons and a bunch of 'ok' seasons...He just happened to be fortunate enough to land on a team with the teammates, style of play, and coaching staff that's seeing him play to his best.
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Hyman claim is a bad one - Hyman refused to sign in Florida and wanted to be traded to Toronto.
Many of us fans were actually high on Marchment and wanted to see him being given a chance - never happened. Verhaghe - no one saw that one coming
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serp
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Leafs had him developing as a prospect for years before that . This very much was not just a 4 game sample size .
It was a bad trade not neccessarily because of Marchment himself and what he's become since but because Denis Malgin was such a nothing player already at the time of the trade. Just pointless to move a prospect you'd been developing for years for a guy like Malgin.
Did not read the entire thread.
But by the time Marchement was impressing with the Marlies, the Leafs were already well committed into their strategy...the Big 5...and tinker with the roster by signing veterans to help up front, or on dee, as the winds blew. The priority to their young players, and seeing if they could become reliable NHL players, was relatively low, and remains low. Compared to the league at large.
They felt they had the core to challenge for a Cup, and their time and resources were spent figuring out how to try and maximize their chances through impactful veteran acquisitions, off-season and deadline.
That strategy has persisted, with some exceptions. Marchement never had a ghost of a chance to show his stuff, given the others already ahead of him in the slim-chance sweepstakes for unproven Leafs forwards at the time.
Is it wrong? Not hugely. The Leafs rosters only had so much room to give try-outs to players like him, and rightly so. That they could not see anything of what he has since become? Well...therein lies the big question...but hard not give Leafs management a big fat F for this oversight, because as soon as he left, he became a reliable, plus-contributing NHL-level forward in every situation he was given.
It happens.
But by the time Marchement was impressing with the Marlies, the Leafs were already well committed into their strategy...the Big 5...and tinker with the roster by signing veterans to help up front, or on dee, as the winds blew. The priority to their young players, and seeing if they could become reliable NHL players, was relatively low, and remains low. Compared to the league at large.
They felt they had the core to challenge for a Cup, and their time and resources were spent figuring out how to try and maximize their chances through impactful veteran acquisitions, off-season and deadline.
That strategy has persisted, with some exceptions. Marchement never had a ghost of a chance to show his stuff, given the others already ahead of him in the slim-chance sweepstakes for unproven Leafs forwards at the time.
Is it wrong? Not hugely. The Leafs rosters only had so much room to give try-outs to players like him, and rightly so. That they could not see anything of what he has since become? Well...therein lies the big question...but hard not give Leafs management a big fat F for this oversight, because as soon as he left, he became a reliable, plus-contributing NHL-level forward in every situation he was given.
It happens.
serp
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Should've at least tried to get a pick back and not Denis Malgin , who was never good in the first place , but they did give a tryout in the top6 after trading for him btw.
