Why did the Leafs let Mason Marchment go? Late bloomers appreciation thread

[TheImpatientPanther]

Mason Marchment is on pace to break career highs in both goals and points in Dallas.

He's developed into a solid top 6 player who brings size, old school physicality but also a great offensive toolbox with decent hands, good defense who looks to be capable of 20 goal, 50+ pt seasons if healthy.

He's turning 29 in June but a player Toronto would likely crave at this point of their year no?
How did they fumble this so bad?
He was traded to Florida for Denis Malgin in 2020 who played 30(?) games for the Leafs and overseas now.

Still missed by Panther fans, he's found a great fit in Dallas. Fun player to watch.

**Feel free to discuss about other players who've bloomed late and fell through the cracks of other teams**

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[BlueOil]

what am i missing? why would the leafs be craving a mediocre forward?

i get you dislike the leafs, rah rah rah, but severely constipated people strain themselves less

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Look at all the people here who called this a fumble by the Leafs four years ago:

Confirmed Trade: - [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment

"Marchment is trash and won't even be an NHLer. I'll take it"

"make no mistake Mason Marchment isn't an NHL guy"

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

what am i missing? why would the leafs be craving a mediocre forward?

i get you dislike the leafs, rah rah rah, but severely constipated people strain themselves less

He had decent numbers with Marlies for multiple years and brought an element the Leafs kind of lack in physical play and in your face type mentality.

They traded him for a small winger with skill, something they had in spades.

 

[Edgelord]

Look at all the people here who called this a fumble by the Leafs four years ago:

Confirmed Trade: - [TOR/FLA] Denis Malgin for Mason Marchment

"Marchment is trash and won't even be an NHLer. I'll take it"

"make no mistake Mason Marchment isn't an NHL guy"

Back then, he gave 0 indication he had that in him. Usually with prospects there is a part of their game that shows you they will be an NHLer if they develop other aspects. Marchment just looked average at best in all aspects.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

He wasn’t very good at the time. It happens lol

 

[Dr Pepper]

Not sure, but I'm glad they did.

Marchy's been great with Dallas.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Back then, he gave 0 indication he had that in him. Usually with prospects there is a part of their game that shows you they will be an NHLer if they develop other aspects. Marchment just looked average at beast in all aspects.

Yeah, that's my point. Sometimes a player will just find something later on, either its the change in scenery or they find extra motivation into improving their game as they see their chances of cracking the NHL slipping away.

I don't really see how you can fault the Leafs much, if at all here for trading him away.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

He wasn’t very good at the time. It happens lol

Your management developed him for 5 years in AHL and then gave him 4 NHL games.
He was putting up respectable numbers in AHL which should have translated into assumptions he'd be a good bottom 6 player for the Leafs.

It's just odd your GM didn't fully give him a chance in a Leafs uniform after that long of a development with that rare skillset and traded him for another small skilled winger.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Your management developed him for 5 years in AHL and then gave him 4 NHL games.
He was putting up respectable numbers in AHL which should have translated into assumptions he'd be a good bottom 6 player for the Leafs.

It's just odd your GM didn't fully give him a chance in a Leafs uniform after that long of a development with that rare skillset and traded him for another small skilled winger.

It was definitely a bad trade by Dubas and I'm not 100% sure why he did it, but at the time nobody thought much of it.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Beause Marchment was a 24 year old career AHL player and they probably thought Malgin could help their team after another Forward was ruled out for the remainder of the season. Malgin played with Matthews during AM34's draft year.

 

[Edgelord]

Your management developed him for 5 years in AHL and then gave him 4 NHL games.
He was putting up respectable numbers in AHL which should have translated into assumptions he'd be a good bottom 6 player for the Leafs.

It's just odd your GM didn't fully give him a chance in a Leafs uniform after that long of a development with that rare skillset and traded him for another small skilled winger.

if you go have a look at the Marlies rosters, it will make a lil more sense. He was buried, should he have been given more mins, yes 100% but we had other young guys we were trying to develop as well.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Not sure, but I'm glad they did.

Marchy's been great with Dallas.

Good to hear, love his ability to play a Swiss army knife style. Panthers still have Bennett who fits the same mold.

I know there was some adjustment for him last year but has definitely figured it out now.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Your management developed him for 5 years in AHL and then gave him 4 NHL games.
He was putting up respectable numbers in AHL which should have translated into assumptions he'd be a good bottom 6 player for the Leafs.

It's just odd your GM didn't fully give him a chance in a Leafs uniform after that long of a development with that rare skillset and traded him for another small skilled winger.

Florida let Jonathan Marchessault get snapped up by Vegas, so that they could keep Alex Petrovic.

Sometimes teams make mistakes.

Coincidentally, Petrovic found his way to Dallas too! Funny eh? I mean he's been in the minors the past three seasons and I'd be surprised if he actually skates with Dallas any time soon, but still.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

It was definitely a bad trade by Dubas and I'm not 100% sure why he did it, but at the time nobody thought much of it.

Beause Marchment was a 24 year old career AHL player and they probably thought Malgin could help their team.

To you both, these are the trades that add up though in a GMs timeline.
The key pieces that fall through the cracks.

Panthers have benefitted from Forsling and Verhaeghe. Key contributors who were after thoughts on other teams and by other GMs.

Florida let Jonathan Marchessault get snapped up by Vegas, so that they could keep Alex Petrovic.

Sometimes teams make mistakes.

Coincidentally, Petrovic found his way to Dallas too! Funny eh? I mean he's been in the minors the past three seasons and I'd be surprised if he actually skates with Dallas any time soon, but still.

For sure. That's more my point. These are the mistakes that add up against one GM and work for another.
Just wild to think of lost players from each team that just click when given the chance or bigger role.

 

[WarriorofTime]

To you both, these are the trades that add up though in a GMs timeline.
The key pieces that fall through the cracks.

Panthers have benefitted from Forsling and Verhaeghe. Key contributors who were after thoughts on other teams and by other GMs.



For sure. That's more my point. This mistakes add up against one GM and work for another.
Just wild to think of lost players from each team that just click when given the chance or bigger role.

Sure, but what else is there to say? It was a bad trade, Marchment turned into a guy who took the long route to the NHL and became a good contributor later on. He might have been able to help them out in 2021-22 when he was making peanuts and a good player. Such is life.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Sure, but what else is there to say? It was a bad trade, Marchment turned into a guy who took the long route to the NHL and became a good contributor later on. He might have been able to help them out in 2021-22 when he was making peanuts and a good player. Such is life.

I guess it's more of an admiration thread for Marchment but also can be discussion about other players that fell through the cracks.
Sometimes it's nice to appreciate the underdog stories and not gush over the superstars all the time?

 

[WarriorofTime]

I guess it's more of an admiration thread for Marchment but also can be discussion about other players that fell through the cracks.
Sometimes it's nice to appreciate the underdog stories and not gush over the superstars all the time?

Carter Verhaeghe is another guy that slipped under the Leafs thumb while he was in their system.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Late bloomer it happens every franchise has had there moment like this. Congrats to Stars I'm more surprised Panthers let him go to be honest.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

WHY DID NO ONE SELECT MARTIN ST. LOUIS IN THE 2000 EXPANSION DRAFT

ARE THEY ALL STUPID?

 

[Edgelord]

I guess it's more of an admiration thread for Marchment but also can be discussion about other players that fell through the cracks.
Sometimes it's nice to appreciate the underdog stories and not gush over the superstars all the time?

Be interesting to find out what changed, did he have a moment where he realized he can do this and his confidence soared? or was it a case of different systems?

WHY DID NO ONE SELECT MARTIN ST. LOUIS IN THE 2000 EXPANSION DRAFT

ARE THEY ALL STUPID?

In that case yes lol, they were still drafting like in Money Ball lol

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Carter Verhaeghe is another guy that slipped under the Leafs thumb while he was in their system.

I'd say he was more TB developed but fair enough.

Late bloomer it happens every franchise has had there moment like this. Congrats to Stars I'm more surprised Panthers let him go to be honest.

For sure. Panthers have lost a ton of quality offense over the years.
Marchessault stung for a while and still does.

I think if Zito could have moved Yandle he would have kept Marchment. But in the end we added Reinhart and Tkachuk who are pretty good replacements

WHY DID NO ONE SELECT MARTIN ST. LOUIS IN THE 2000 EXPANSION DRAFT

ARE THEY ALL STUPID?

The pain is real.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

WHY DID NO ONE SELECT MARTIN ST. LOUIS IN THE 2000 EXPANSION DRAFT

ARE THEY ALL STUPID?

Height and weight are the only advanced stats I care about.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Be interesting to find out what changed, did he have a moment where he realized he can do this and his confidence soared? or was it a case of different systems?

IIRC he did have some injuries while with Marlies but ya it's just a curious case like many others who just finally put it together in their mid/late 20s vs teen/early 20s.

I wonder if it's harder for guys with size now that the game is so fast?
Panthers had Bjugstad who looked to be dominant in college and then just never fully got it figured out with Panthers but looks to be getting back on track in Arizona

 

[JKG33]

Carter Verhaeghe is another guy that slipped under the Leafs thumb while he was in their system.

Marchment-Jarvis-Verhaeghe... an entire line costing less than one of the big 4, that the Leafs (Dubas) pissed away for nothing.