Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[AngelDuck]

The issue I have with Gibson is a similar one I have with Fowler. It’s that the coaching staff can’t look at those players objectively and play them in the proper roles

In Cronin’s eyes, Fowler HAS to be playing 22+ minutes per game

In Cronin’s eyes, Gibson HAS to be playing 60%+ of the starts over Dostal

It’s frustrating because Gibson and Fowler aren’t “bad” players. They just get overworked and worn out by the coaching staff every year

If I had to choose between keeping one or the other, I would keep Gibson though. Fowler is much easier to replace for us (we already don’t need him)

If I’m Verbeek and I get a reasonable offer on either one, I’m moving on. Not sure I want to move into next year with all of Strome/Killorn/Gibson/Fowler under contract

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The issue I have with Gibson is a similar one I have with Fowler. It’s that the coaching staff can’t look at those players objectively and play them in the proper roles

In Cronin’s eyes, Fowler HAS to be playing 22+ minutes per game

In Cronin’s eyes, Gibson HAS to be playing 60%+ of the starts over Dostal

It’s frustrating because Gibson and Fowler aren’t “bad” players. They just get overworked and worn out by the coaching staff every year

If I had to choose between keeping one or the other, I would keep Gibson though. Fowler is much easier to replace for us (we already don’t need him)

If I’m Verbeek and I get a reasonable offer on either one, I’m moving on. Not sure I want to move into next year with all of Strome/Killorn/Gibson/Fowler under contract

Would be insane to have fowler next year…. Rather just extend dumo, trade fowler… I’d prefer a top 6 forward coming back with similar contract to fowler…. But okay with picks to move for that piece in the offseason

Killorn we’re stuck with, I think he brings some sort of leadership at least
Strome I’d say we’re kinda stuck with also , he’s fine in bottom 6 imo.

Gibson I don’t mind moving, but also understand the market prob isn’t worth moving him for and him and dostal splitting time isn’t the worst thing(but it should be dostal getting the majority of games)

 

[Hey234]

If I’m Verbeek and I get a reasonable offer on either one, I’m moving on. Not sure I want to move into next year with all of Strome/Killorn/Gibson/Fowler under contract

For me, this is the correct way to view it. If a solid offer comes by, they should take it. They should not be making a trade just to shuffle the deck. Regardless, starting next year with all 4 seems like a mistake.

This season has shown that the Ducks have enough serviceable options on defense that Fowler, who requested a trade, can and should be traded.

Gibson has played more than well enough to prove he can still play at a high level. If the Ducks retain, I can't imagine a desperate team won't overpay eventually. Carolina seems like they are almost at that place, for example. However, my main concern is overworking Dostal after Gibson's traded. It might make sense to keep Gibson until the trade deadline.

My gut tells me that no one will take Killorn or that contract. I think they are stuck with him. Strome maybe could be traded, but without retention, I'm not sure the value would be worth it. Probably stuck with him too.

 

[ohcomeonref]

We have to resign Dumo.

 

[Ducks DVM]

For me, this is the correct way to view it. If a solid offer comes by, they should take it. They should not be making a trade just to shuffle the deck. Regardless, starting next year with all 4 seems like a mistake.

This season has shown that the Ducks have enough serviceable options on defense that Fowler, who requested a trade, can and should be traded.

Gibson has played more than well enough to prove he can still play at a high level. If the Ducks retain, I can't imagine a desperate team won't overpay eventually. Carolina seems like they are almost at that place, for example. However, my main concern is overworking Dostal after Gibson's traded. It might make sense to keep Gibson until the trade deadline.

My gut tells me that no one will take Killorn or that contract. I think they are stuck with him. Strome maybe could be traded, but without retention, I'm not sure the value would be worth it. Probably stuck with him too.

Fowler did not ask for a trade, he’s just open to facilitating one instead of blocking it. Unless you’ve seen a different article.

“Elliotte Friedman recently reported on his podcast that Fowler and the Ducks might work together on a new NHL home for the veteran defenseman. That’s noteworthy, but hardly surprising when you consider the context of where the Ducks and Fowler are at in their evolution. If there is an unexpected element, it’s that it became public as training camp opens next week.

It may have the appearance of Fowler asking for a trade, but it is more of a matter of both sides seeing if there is benefit to a move. Friedman noted that it is a “positive working environment” when it comes to Fowler and the Ducks working on a trade for the franchise’s all-time leading scorer among blueliners. Fowler has two years remaining on his contract, with a $6.5 million cap hit.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5761030/2024/09/12/cam-fowler-trade-ducks/

 

[JAHV]

The issue I have with Gibson is a similar one I have with Fowler. It’s that the coaching staff can’t look at those players objectively and play them in the proper roles

In Cronin’s eyes, Fowler HAS to be playing 22+ minutes per game

In Cronin’s eyes, Gibson HAS to be playing 60%+ of the starts over Dostal

It’s frustrating because Gibson and Fowler aren’t “bad” players. They just get overworked and worn out by the coaching staff every year

If I had to choose between keeping one or the other, I would keep Gibson though. Fowler is much easier to replace for us (we already don’t need him)

If I’m Verbeek and I get a reasonable offer on either one, I’m moving on. Not sure I want to move into next year with all of Strome/Killorn/Gibson/Fowler under contract

Fowler has been playing 21:17 per night this season on a defense corps that has multiple guys under 23, and the two other veterans - Dumuolin and Gudas - are not guys who should be playing even 20 minutes per night. You really think Cronin is overplaying Fowler?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Fowler has been playing 21:17 per night this season on a defense corps that has multiple guys under 23, and the two other veterans - Dumuolin and Gudas - are not guys who should be playing even 20 minutes per night. You really think Cronin is overplaying Fowler?

Fowler has been playing at least 24:10 ATOI for the past three seasons. Playing at 21:17 is the team giving other players more time, including on the PP.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Fowler has been playing 21:17 per night this season on a defense corps that has multiple guys under 23, and the two other veterans - Dumuolin and Gudas - are not guys who should be playing even 20 minutes per night. You really think Cronin is overplaying Fowler?

I think Fowler would excel at about 18, but the concern is that a Gudas/Doumolin injury would have Fowler absorb too many of those minutes.

I also think Fowler needs to hang around until closer to the trade deadline, unless the return is in the WOW category, because I’m not convinced that a bunch of 1st/2nd year NHL defensemen are going to look the same in February/March as they have in October/November.

I’d also like to see if he still looks lost/disinterested in the new system that he’s not played in. It’s the type of system that actually plays to his strengths, and it’d be nice to know if it’s Fowler or the system that was making him look bad (or both), just like it was for Killorn and quite a few others.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Once Fowler comes back. Our defense will take a huge hit. He is just to soft..

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think Fowler would excel at about 18, but the concern is that a Gudas/Doumolin injury would have Fowler absorb too many of those minutes.

I also think Fowler needs to hang around until closer to the trade deadline, unless the return is in the WOW category, because I’m not convinced that a bunch of 1st/2nd year NHL defensemen are going to look the same in February/March as they have in October/November.

I’d also like to see if he still looks lost/disinterested in the new system that he’s not played in. It’s the type of system that actually plays to his strengths, and it’d be nice to know if it’s Fowler or the system that was making him look bad (or both), just like it was for Killorn and quite a few others.

Im good...

Send him far far away

Zellweger/Mintyukov/Dumo >

Lacombe can play either side, versatile. Vaaks is fine filling in.

Fowler is an anchor some of you are obsessed with getting his 1000 game in anaheim.

If a trade comes available, that he will sign off on... you take it and run

 

[Ducks DVM]

Im good...

Send him far far away

Zellweger/Mintyukov/Dumo >

Lacombe can play either side, versatile. Vaaks is fine filling in.

Fowler is an anchor some of you are obsessed with getting his 1000 game in anaheim.

If a trade comes available, that he will sign off on... you take it and run

Im not one of those people, and you are the last person who should be using the word “obsessed” when referring to Fowler

My concerns are exactly what I said, and have said to you in specific in the past - 1st and 2nd year players fall off in the second half of seasons more often than not. Just swapping out other 1st and 2nd year players doesn’t change that.

I also see no harm in seeing if he plays better in the new system. Best case scenario is that it increases his trade value. Unlike some of you, I do not think our defense is playing “well”, I think it’s playing “less incompetently”, and am up for anything that can push it further towards “average or better”. Be that an improved Fowler, a better pick for Fowler, or a legit upgrade at forward instead of a forward swap of a player struggling as much as Fowler has this season.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Cronin is coaching for his job at this point and will play the hot goalie, whether it's Gibson or Dostal. Which I'm fine with, to be honest.

 

[MMC]

I wouldn’t put myself in the “Fowler has to GTFO” camp yet but I would certainly be shopping the hell out of him if I was PV. He is a luxury for this team that is potentially close to breaking through but still has a number of holes and if you can move him for a forward or a late 1st, you do it. Vancouver got Hronek who filled a major hole for them for the late 1st they got for moving Horvat + a 2nd

 

[Hey234]

Fowler did not ask for a trade, he’s just open to facilitating one instead of blocking it. Unless you’ve seen a different article.

“Elliotte Friedman recently reported on his podcast that Fowler and the Ducks might work together on a new NHL home for the veteran defenseman. That’s noteworthy, but hardly surprising when you consider the context of where the Ducks and Fowler are at in their evolution. If there is an unexpected element, it’s that it became public as training camp opens next week.

It may have the appearance of Fowler asking for a trade, but it is more of a matter of both sides seeing if there is benefit to a move. Friedman noted that it is a “positive working environment” when it comes to Fowler and the Ducks working on a trade for the franchise’s all-time leading scorer among blueliners. Fowler has two years remaining on his contract, with a $6.5 million cap hit.”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5761030/2024/09/12/cam-fowler-trade-ducks/

Good catch. I misread that. Still feel like it's time to trade him but that definitely affects things if he's not directly asking for a trade.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Im good...

Send him far far away

Zellweger/Mintyukov/Dumo >

Lacombe can play either side, versatile. Vaaks is fine filling in.

Fowler is an anchor some of you are obsessed with getting his 1000 game in anaheim.

If a trade comes available, that he will sign off on... you take it and run

I definitely want Fowler to hit 1,000 games, but at the same time, how many $6+ mil defenders get traded after a season starts, and not like a month or so before the trade deadline. Since he’s been on the shelf, I am sure Verbeek is kicking the tires…….. but I doubt anything is happening anytime soon.

All that being said, if a deal for a top 6 winger, or draft picks we can’t say no to, obviously you do it before the 1,000 game mark.

But random question, does shipping someone out before the 1,000 game mark, not send a bad message to veteran free agents. It is a business so maybe it doesn’t, but I guess it matters how important that is to Cam at the end of the day. He’s not getting a jersey retired, so really what’s the difference.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

We bought out Perry shortly before his 1,000 game. Trading Cam would lead me to guess those silver sticks must be really expensive. lol

 

[Anaheim4ever]

We bought out Perry shortly before his 1,000 game. Trading Cam would lead me to guess those silver sticks must be really expensive. lol

Lol It would be funny if he got traded immediately after his 1000th game and its announced on twitter while Cam is being interviewed in the post game show.

 

[GermanRocket7]

We have to resign Dumo.

I'd much rather re-sign him than having him resign, but I guess this is just me.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Cam needs to be traded to a contending team and ducks need to retain half his salary. It's the only way he goes to another team. He wants to win now. PV needs to make it happen. He just does not fit in our d core anymore

 

[robbieboy3686]

Would be insane to have fowler next year…. Rather just extend dumo, trade fowler… I’d prefer a top 6 forward coming back with similar contract to fowler…. But okay with picks to move for that piece in the offseason

Killorn we’re stuck with, I think he brings some sort of leadership at least
Strome I’d say we’re kinda stuck with also , he’s fine in bottom 6 imo.

Gibson I don’t mind moving, but also understand the market prob isn’t worth moving him for and him and dostal splitting time isn’t the worst thing(but it should be dostal getting the majority of games)

No chance Fowler is back next season

I definitely want Fowler to hit 1,000 games, but at the same time, how many $6+ mil defenders get traded after a season starts, and not like a month or so before the trade deadline. Since he’s been on the shelf, I am sure Verbeek is kicking the tires…….. but I doubt anything is happening anytime soon.

All that being said, if a deal for a top 6 winger, or draft picks we can’t say no to, obviously you do it before the 1,000 game mark.

But random question, does shipping someone out before the 1,000 game mark, not send a bad message to veteran free agents. It is a business so maybe it doesn’t, but I guess it matters how important that is to Cam at the end of the day. He’s not getting a jersey retired, so really what’s the difference.

lol shipping a vet out before their 1000 game means nothing to veterans potentially coming in. And if it means something to them, they can ask for a ntc

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

No chance Fowler is back next season


lol shipping a vet out before their 1000 game means nothing to veterans potentially coming in. And if it means something to them, they can ask for a ntc

Fowler has a NMC. I’m just saying, we treated Perry poorly on his way out, and now we hear rumors about how our organization is f***ed up from the top levels, and how GMBM ruined the structural integrity of our organization.

Fowler would be only the 2nd Duck in the history of the organization to play 1,000 + games for the club. I don’t know how important that is to Cam, but it’s definitely important for us as an organization in a year we aren’t in our Cup Window, to show we take care of our own homegrown talent. Just my opinion.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Fowler has a NMC. I’m just saying, we treated Perry poorly on his way out, and now we hear rumors about how our organization is f***ed up from the top levels, and how GMBM ruined the structural integrity of our organization.

Fowler would be only the 2nd Duck in the history of the organization to play 1,000 + games for the club. I don’t know how important that is to Cam, but it’s definitely important for us as an organization in a year we aren’t in our Cup Window, to show we take care of our own homegrown talent. Just my opinion.

God I hope that isn’t a priority for our org….

Might as well suck forever

 

[Ducks DVM]

God I hope that isn’t a priority for our org….

Might as well suck forever

I don’t think Fowler playing another 14 games will make the team “suck forever”.

Are you not even remotely interested in seeing how he plays in a system more friendly to his skill set, at a minutes level appropriate to his current physical ability? If nothing else, it’d bring back a better draft pick if he does well.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don’t think Fowler playing another 14 games will make the team “suck forever”.

Are you not even remotely interested in seeing how he plays in a system more friendly to his skill set, at a minutes level appropriate to his current physical ability? If nothing else, it’d bring back a better draft pick if he does well.

I’ve already said I’m content without him, teams are more than aware of what fowler can bring to their team if they trade for him.

Don’t think 14 games is going to change many gms opinions of him

And the suck forever is based around the mindset of getting fowler to 1000 games being a priority….to help with our teams perception. I seriously hope that isn’t a priority….. if it works that way because we want to wait till deadline, or no one is offering enough…. Sure that’s fine…. But we shouldn’t just keep him here to get that 1000 games for the sake of doing it.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Fowler has a NMC. I’m just saying, we treated Perry poorly on his way out, and now we hear rumors about how our organization is f***ed up from the top levels, and how GMBM ruined the structural integrity of our organization.

Fowler would be only the 2nd Duck in the history of the organization to play 1,000 + games for the club. I don’t know how important that is to Cam, but it’s definitely important for us as an organization in a year we aren’t in our Cup Window, to show we take care of our own homegrown talent. Just my opinion.

How did we treat perry poorly? He didn’t want to go through a rebuild, and we bought him out so he could pursue a cup all the while making his salary with the ducks + the new contracts he was earning with his new teams?