Why did Quebec not get a team?

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American fans always talk about the financial bonanza that is the U.S.. Fine. Take that "massive" U.S. TV contract and split it 25 ways. In fact, take ALL U.S. revenue and split it 25 ways. While, at the same time, leave the tiny Canadian TV contract and CDN revenue income and for Canadian teams.

After all, if the U.S. market is as lucrative as you say, why wouldn't you want to keep it all for yourselves?

Don't pretend like you are doing us Canadians a favour. Let's us keep Canadians dollars in Canada and we'll worry about whether Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa and QC are sustainable.

Golly, with that attitude why don't we just split the League at the border? Then it could be like the NFL and the CFL. Sounds like everybody would be much happier!

I vote YES.
 

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The only thing I have against Canada and Canadian hockey is the number of folks who are snotty and insufferable about hockey in general and who deeply resent the growth of the game that has allowed people like me to appreciate it.
I've seen many, if not just as many, anti-Canadian posts on here either wishing ill on the Canadian teams or on Canadian hockey in general.

With some of these Canada haters even, hypocritically, demanding respect from Canadian fans.

Y'all aren't perfect, either.
 

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I've seen many, if not just as many, anti-Canadian posts on here either wishing ill on the Canadian teams or on Canadian hockey in general.

With some of these Canada haters even, hypocritically, demanding respect from Canadian fans.

Y'all aren't perfect, either.
Good point. A bunch of U.S. posters talking down to Canadians and criticizing Canadian teams when it's our dollars that keep many of their teams afloat. Then, heaven forbid, we ask for an 8th team. The hypocrisy is deafening.
 

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Good point. A bunch of U.S. posters talking down to Canadians and criticizing Canadian teams when it's our dollars that keep many of their teams afloat. Then, heaven forbid, we ask for an 8th team. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Thats where the problem lies. Ya'll don't ask for an 8th team, you bleat and moan about teams in warm weather cities, most of which are doing fine in terms of finances and interest, and spit on the fans there like it should be the easiest decision to axe us from participating. I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for whiny Canadian hockey fans. Ya'll don't need 8 teams. Players don't like small Canadian markets. There is no money in QC to purchase a team.
 

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Good point. A bunch of U.S. posters talking down to Canadians and criticizing Canadian teams when it's our dollars that keep many of their teams afloat. Then, heaven forbid, we ask for an 8th team. The hypocrisy is deafening.
Yup, there seems to be some paranoia with some US fans in that they see things that aren't there.

When we say, "We would love another team in Canada." They seem to hear, "We demand less teams in the USA!"

Funny thing, the NHL just posted about our National Day of Reconciliation for first nation's kids that suffered in residential school on their Instagram page. And a bunch or US fans in the comments are randomly talking shit about Canada

But yup, it's the Canadian fans who are the most toxic. Logic.


Thats where the problem lies. Ya'll don't ask for an 8th team, you bleat and moan about teams in warm weather cities, most of which are doing fine in terms of finances and interest, and spit on the fans there like it should be the easiest decision to axe us from participating. I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for whiny Canadian hockey fans. Ya'll don't need 8 teams. Players don't like small Canadian markets. There is no money in QC to purchase a team.
Believe it or not, I agree with you. QC doesn't have the money of a team, and frankly I am very content with 7 teams in this country. Sure there was technically 8 teams here at one (very brief) point, but there was no financial prosperity during that time and we all knew it was only a matter of time before we lose 1-2 or even 3 teams.

But as far as whiny Canadians,
Thats where the problem lies. Ya'll don't ask for an 8th team, you bleat and moan about teams in warm weather cities, most of which are doing fine in terms of finances and interest, and spit on the fans there like it should be the easiest decision to axe us from participating. I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for whiny Canadian hockey fans. Ya'll don't need 8 teams. Players don't like small Canadian markets. There is no money in QC to purchase a team.
I actually agree with you that QC can't support a team anymore. I'm actually very content with 7 teams in Canada. Sure we may have 8 teams at one (very brief) point, but there was no financial prosperity during that time and everyone knew it was a matter of time before we lose 1-2 or even 3 of them.

As for saying Canadian fans are whiny, I don't doubt there some of is are. But on the flip side, check out this recent thread.


It's quite literally meant as a random shot at Canada disguised as a legitimate question regarding attendance. So don't think we don't have to put op with bullshit, either.
 
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When we say, "We would love another team in Canada." They seem to hear, "We demand less teams in the USA!"
Come on now....you were around when Atlanta, Florida, Nashville, Phoenix, and Carolina struggled with attendance. "They" heard demands for these teams move to Canadian markets because that was what was being posted.
 

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Keep Canadian money IN Canada and QC can compete. It's U.S. teams that can't compete without those Canadian dollars.
For now maybe.... but on a growth business perspective, not sure your point will be valid in 10 or 20 years from now. Like it or not, NHL is now an American thing and IMO, NHL and Bettman are targeting the biggest TV Contract on national USA network.

That is why you currently have some USA fans being a bit... cocky. USA has the size, the numbers and the money.

As I said, Canadian team have been paying and still are for the development of the sunbelt and USA NHL markets....and by extension, Canadian fans are also paying for this.

Never in any world would the NHL have accepted a Canadian team playing in a 5000 barn and supporting a bad hockey franchise over more than a decade.... like they did with the Coyotes and with other US franchise. That says it ALL for me.
 
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Thats where the problem lies. Ya'll don't ask for an 8th team, you bleat and moan about teams in warm weather cities, most of which are doing fine in terms of finances and interest, and spit on the fans there like it should be the easiest decision to axe
Come on now....you were around when Atlanta, Florida, Nashville, Phoenix, and Carolina struggled with attendance. "They" heard demands for these teams move to Canadian markets because that was what was being posted.

We of course, at the time many of us had doubts. That was many years ago.

But those teams have long since proved themselves as worthy and not nearly as many people are trashing them like they did in the early 2000's. As haply as I was to see Winnipeg back I really felt bad for ATL fans because I know it had nothing to do with attendance and more with lousy owners.
 

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Golly, with that attitude why don't we just split the League at the border? Then it could be like the NFL and the CFL. Sounds like everybody would be much happier!

I vote YES.
It might come to that at some point in the future. Based only on numbers, not taking all the question of culturel aspect (IMO hockey's more important to Canadian history and culture than for US folks), numbers are south of the border.

IMO,based on agglomeration area, 3 Canadian cities might be confirmed in the future to compete with big US cities + Edmonton and Calgary.

IMO it is sad... but it os what it is.
 
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We of course, at the time many of us saw doubts.

But those teams have long since proved themselves as worthy and not nearly as many people are trashing them like they did in the early 2000's.
Which, after losing TWO teams to relocation, sucks. I don't think (mostly) anyone should lose a team. It's brutal.
 

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Yup, there seems to be some paranoia with some US fans in that they see things that aren't there.

When we say, "We would love another team in Canada." They seem to hear, "We demand less teams in the USA!"

Funny thing, the NHL just posted about our National Day of Reconciliation for first nation's kids that suffered in residential school on their Instagram page. And a bunch or US fans in the comments are randomly talking shit about Canada

But yup, it's the Canadian fans who are the most toxic. Logic.
Were you not alive for the "make it 7" period? The Winnipeg and Quebec fans were actively cheering the failure of Atlanta. And the entire Canadian hockey media was on board. The volume of fans and Canadian media actively rooting for fans to lose their team was massive.

After Atlanta moved, it became just the Quebec fans, but they have over the course of years been actively and vocally cheering for Carolina to fail, for Florida to fail, for Arizona to fail.

Canadian fans have absolutely, 100% been demanding fewer teams in the US. Incessantly. Those of us who have been on the receiving end have noticed.
 

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Come on now....you were around when Atlanta, Florida, Nashville, Phoenix, and Carolina struggled with attendance. "They" heard demands for these teams move to Canadian markets because that was what was being posted.
Shit, its not that it was just posted in here, news agencies in Montreal would constantly hound us with rumors of a pending QC move every time the Habs played the Canes for about 3 or 4 years straight before Dundon bought the team. It was constant rumormongering from Quebec media to churn up discussion around the team moving to QC. Everyone salivated and almost celebrated the fact the Canes were bad because it only brought them one step closer to "an undeserving sunbelt team moving to a real hockey market in Canada".

For any fanbase who has dealt with it, its been completely insufferable. They think they are entitled to what they want, and they have no problems taking a crap all over anything you like if they decide you aren't worthy of it anymore.
 

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Shit, its not that it was just posted in here, news agencies in Montreal would constantly hound us with rumors of a pending QC move every time the Habs played the Canes for about 3 or 4 years straight before Dundon bought the team. It was constant rumormongering from Quebec media to churn up discussion around the team moving to QC.

For any fanbase who has dealt with it, its been completely insufferable. They think they are entitled to what they want, and they have no problems taking a crap all over anything you like if they decide you aren't worthy of it anymore.
I always thought the same from US folks....... appreciation and sensitivity are a bizarre thing :)
 

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Shit, its not that it was just posted in here, news agencies in Montreal would constantly hound us with rumors of a pending QC move every time the Habs played the Canes for about 3 or 4 years straight before Dundon bought the team. It was constant rumormongering from Quebec media to churn up discussion around the team moving to QC. Everyone salivated and almost celebrated the fact the Canes were bad because it only brought them one step closer to "an undeserving sunbelt team moving to a real hockey market in Canada".

For any fanbase who has dealt with it, its been completely insufferable. They think they are entitled to what they want, and they have no problems taking a crap all over anything you like if they decide you aren't worthy of it anymore.
Dude if the Canes moved to QC they could go 0-82 till the end of time and they'd still sell out forever. Because hockey is in their veins. Not like us.
 

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I always thought the same from US folks....... appreciation and sensitivity are a bizarre thing :)
Depends on how you define entitlement. I don't think it's entitlement to want to keep your team or to want another shot after your last team was cut short like Atlanta fans.

I think it is entitlement to want to see teams removed from their fans because it would benefit you, or for the schadenfreude of seeing American fans lose their team as some sort of "revenge" for Southern expansion.

Thanks for proving my point
Sarcasm man. I was a Canes STM till last year.
 

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I vote yes, too. A Win-Win. If all those U.S. teams can't survive without our CDN $, let them fail.
Do you realise theres 3 canadian markets in the bottom 15 in terms of league revenue :laugh::laugh::laugh:

one of them is neck and neck with what used to be Arizona lmao.

But yeah let's put a team in a small city like Quebec because they like hockey even if it makes the league bleed money.


Kids barely even play the sport in our country its time to get off the Canadian high horse my friend
 
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Were you not alive for the "make it 7" period? The Winnipeg and Quebec fans were actively cheering the failure of Atlanta. And the entire Canadian hockey media was on board. The volume of fans and Canadian media actively rooting for fans to lose their team was massive.

After Atlanta moved, it became just the Quebec fans, but they have over the course of years been actively and vocally cheering for Carolina to fail, for Florida to fail, for Arizona to fail.

Canadian fans have absolutely, 100% been demanding fewer teams in the US. Incessantly. Those of us who have been on the receiving end have noticed.
Yes I was. I was also old enough to remember the US fans who were cheering for Canadian team failures during the early 2000's (Edmonton and Calgary).

Again, not saying we're better. I'm saying fans from both sides of the border are flawed.

And honestly, the xenophobic way Panthers fans were acting after last years SCF, even trolling these boards with random anti-Canada drivel that had nothing to do with hockey. Can't blame the Quebec fans for that....
 
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Sarcasm man. I was a Canes STM till last year.

Did not know that, never seen you on F26. Same boat here, they priced me out this summer.

And to be clear, hard to detect sarcasm when its word for word what you've been told on HFB in the past.
 

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I've seen many, if not just as many, anti-Canadian posts on here either wishing ill on the Canadian teams or on Canadian hockey in general.

With some of these Canada haters even, hypocritically, demanding respect from Canadian fans.

Y'all aren't perfect, either.
:dunno: Folks get bitter when they've been going through this nonsense for years from all comers. When folks - incuding major news outlets! - are so completely devoid of empathy as to be celebrating that possibility of you losing your team in your face while you're mourning the passing of a community giant that made the team possible, it's more than a little difficult to stay "calm and reasonable and balanced" about the subject. To the best of my knowledge, that in particular is a line that's only been crossed by one side in this debate. And while I'm not pointing the finger at you personally, or anyone else in this thread, y'all are still trying to "equal time" that and it's really kind of fundamentally not equal to begin with.

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When we say, "We would love another team in Canada." They seem to hear, "We demand less teams in the USA!"
That's because that's exactly what was being said, explicitly, for decades. Both of the teams I'm a fan of have been explicitly targeted in the past by that rhetoric. It's not being said out loud anymore, to be sure, but we're not sure to what degree that genuinely is folks being more empathetic versus folks just deciding they're not going to say the quiet part out loud.

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Yes I was. I was also old enough to remember the US fans who were cheering for Canadian team failures during the early 2000's (Edmonton and Calgary).

Again, not saying we're better. I'm saying fans from both sides of the border are flawed.

And honestly, the xenophobic way Panthers fans were acting after last years SCF, even trolling these boards with random anti-Canada drivel that had nothing to do with hockey. Can't blame the Quebec fans for that....
Again. After years and years and years of being regularly and consistently browbeaten about how you don't deserve to exist as a hockey fan, not just by random fans but by media organizations and industry influencers, people can get really, really bitter. That doesn't justify it (EDIT: and speaking personally I'm none too pleased with Panthers fans who got into that nonsense) but it does go some way towards explaining it.
 
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I always thought the same from US folks....... appreciation and sensitivity are a bizarre thing :)
:dunno: All I want is for my teams to be recognized and respected as NHL teams like any other, and for myself and fellow fans of said teams to not be treated like at best valueless second-class parasites who can neither possibly know a damn thing about nor 'truly' appreciate the game.
 

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