Why did Quebec not get a team?

[Viqsi]

Are you going to mention that the North Stars played in one of the smallest NHL arenas? Max crowd for a North Stars game was 14,400. Except for a couple economically down seasons I don’t see the pattern here you are trying to suggest.

The pattern is that Minnesota catches a break when this happens, and that is reasonable. But when it happens to teams further south*, this sort of thing is cited as evidence of the city in question being "not a hockey market" and therefore in need of prompt relocation and/or contraction.

Nobody's trying to claim Minnesota was bad or deserved to lose the North Stars. Minnesota is merely being used to illustrate that there's an indefensible double standard in place.

*: Or even teams that are within 150 miles of the Canadian border and which have never gotten anywhere near that bad, such as, oh, say, Columbus.

 

[Zalos]

A lot of false claims were made in this thread about the Nordiques.

But yea, if the league ever increases to 36 teams, Quebec will have a team again.

 

[EpochLink]

Quebec will be back in the league once it expands to 36.
NHL wants to get into the heavy media markets of Atlanta and Houston.

 

[sfvega]

Because the league needs to again chase fool's gold of hockey in Atlanta...

 

[Kegs]

There is only half a million people in Quebec City.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

The pattern is that Minnesota catches a break when this happens, and that is reasonable. But when it happens to teams further south*, this sort of thing is cited as evidence of the city in question being "not a hockey market" and therefore in need of prompt relocation and/or contraction.

Nobody's trying to claim Minnesota was bad or deserved to lose the North Stars. Minnesota is merely being used to illustrate that there's an indefensible double standard in place.

*: Or even teams that are within 150 miles of the Canadian border and which have never gotten anywhere near that bad, such as, oh, say, Columbus.

Or, even the NHL had to acknowledge that Norm Green got into financial trouble, a sexual harassment scandal and skipped town leaving a top 20 market without a team.

 

[Schennanigans]

Not a big fish.

 

[2014nyr]

it's not rocket science...money. the nhl ain't operating a charity.

if you want to argue their revenue projection model is wrong and quebec would be the smarter investment versus alternatives being considered, that's not unreasonable. there's considerations beyond just market size and growth potential that eliminate quebec by default from any serious consideration at the moment, primarily related to currency and tax structure. the nhl is a business, and business decisions are driven by their projected profit incentive.

 

[Hennessy]

Because Alberta hasn't gone full Texas yet. They're holding the entire country back.

 

[Chet Manley]

The expansion fee has outgrown the market. Proof being when the $500USD fee scared the potential bidders off like 7 years ago.

 

[Sorry]

Maybe if Canada was desirable for businesses, QC could get a team. The big market Canadian teams aren't attractive to the players to sign in, let alone the owners looking at QC versus a major American market.

 

[JianYang]

Quebec will be back in the league once it expands to 36.
NHL wants to get into the heavy media markets of Atlanta

I'm sure they want to get back in Phoenix-Scottsdale as well.

The nhl would also prefer many mid American markets currently without a team than Quebec.

 

[byrath]

There is only half a million people in Quebec City.

The metro area is about 850k just like Winnipeg

 

[ItWasJustified]

A Canadian dollar worth 74 cents US (which it wasn't when Winnipeg reacquired its team).

This would only be an issue if the owner(s) would earn all his/their money in Canadian dollars. I bet you that the Winnipeg Jets co-owner David Thomson, who is one of the richest persons in the entire world, does not earn the majority of his money in Canada but on the American stock market speculating with US dollars.

 

[Sniper99]

Not nearly old enough. The Hamilton Bulldogs used to be in Quebec over 100 years ago. Cost certainty is a league wide thing. Individual teams can and do still lose money hand over fist. See the no longer existing Coyotes. Quebec is a market that would struggle hitting the salary floor and stay solvent.

You dont actually know if that would happen. Also the fact that you brought up a team from 100 years ago is comical.

 

[Soundwave]

Maybe if Canada was desirable for businesses, QC could get a team. The big market Canadian teams aren't attractive to the players to sign in, let alone the owners looking at QC versus a major American market.

In fairness virtually all of the Canadian stars have resigned with their Canadian teams, the exceptions being the situation with the Flames and Gaudreau + Tkachuk.

But even Winnipeg retained Schiefle + Hellebuyck. Edmonton just resigned Draisaitl basically for the rest of his career.

 

[Derailed75]

I think the biggest indicator of whether Quebec gets a team or not is the fact that any time expansion gets mentioned no one outside of Quebec brings Quebec up.

 

[cowboy82nd]

You dont actually know if that would happen. Also the fact that you brought up a team from 100 years ago is comical.

Just curious, what is the cutoff? Can't mention a team from 100 years ago, but 40 years is fine?

 

[DaPhazz]

There is only half a million people in Quebec City.

But man do they like hockey. They'd bring the passion some teams lack.

Everyone who like hockey should be behind this over bigger shitty market like Atlanta of Arizona

 

[Kegs]

But man do they like hockey. They'd bring the passion some teams lack.

Everyone who like hockey should be behind this over bigger shitty market like Atlanta of Arizona

I eat sleep and drink hockey. I want teams to go to giant wealthy markets so that the salary cap can go up and my team can spend more. But that’s just me. I’d rather Toronto get a second team. I wasn’t a fan of the peg getting a team either. At the start of last lesson the peg was having trouble filling seats no? The jets are a really good team too. It’s not like they are a lottery team. If Quebec gets a team and they are bad I doubt ppl will go watch.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Passion for game. QC has same passion as Montreal. Montreal has largest local tv and radio money by country mile. There's not even a distance second.

Passion doesn't put food on the table , little Quebec city needs to get their money up

 

[Essenege]

There is only half a million people in Quebec City.

Bad take.

The following regions are « natural » nordiques fans.

Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay
Capitale-Nationale
Chaudière-appalaches
Mauricie

It’s more like a 1.5-2.0 mil market. If you know any of those regions you’d know they are used to 2h drives and would absolutely do it even in the middle of the week if they have tickets. Most of the population of those regions are less then 2 hours away anyway

It’s a larger market then Winnipeg, a bit smaller then Calgary/Edmonton/Ottawa.


median income is basically the same as Vancouver with 1/10th home prices…people have more disposable income/savings then it appears at first glance, especially the young professionals who aren’t house poor like so many places in Canada.

1.5-2mil where 80% follow the team is a way, way larger hockey market then most southern markets.

List of regions of Quebec - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Fatass]

Bad take.

The following regions are « natural » nordiques fans.

Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay
Capitale-Nationale
Chaudière-appalaches
Mauricie

It’s more like a 1.5-2.0 mil market. If you know any of those regions you’d know they are used to 2h drives and would absolutely do it even in the middle of the week if they have tickets. Most of the population of those regions are less then 2 hours away anyway

It’s a larger market then Winnipeg, a bit smaller then Calgary/Edmonton/Ottawa.


median income is basically the same as Vancouver with 1/10th home prices…people have more disposable income/savings then it appears at first glance, especially the young professionals who aren’t house poor like so many places in Canada.

1.5-2mil where 80% follow the team is a way, way larger hockey market then most southern markets.

List of regions of Quebec - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Quebec City area would be a fantastic market. There’s no doubt the rink would be full every game. It’s the corporate sponsorship that’s the question. Is there enough local big company money to support the club?

 

[Kegs]

Bad take.

The following regions are « natural » nordiques fans.

Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay
Capitale-Nationale
Chaudière-appalaches
Mauricie

It’s more like a 1.5-2.0 mil market. If you know any of those regions you’d know they are used to 2h drives and would absolutely do it even in the middle of the week if they have tickets. Most of the population of those regions are less then 2 hours away anyway

It’s a larger market then Winnipeg, a bit smaller then Calgary/Edmonton/Ottawa.


median income is basically the same as Vancouver with 1/10th home prices…people have more disposable income/savings then it appears at first glance, especially the young professionals who aren’t house poor like so many places in Canada.

1.5-2mil where 80% follow the team is a way, way larger hockey market then most southern markets.

List of regions of Quebec - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

2 million ppl including the surrounding area is nothing. Utah has over 3 million not including the surrounding area.

Toronto has 2.6 million people. The gta is closer to 10 million ppl.

The jets are one of the least profitable teams in the league. The only good team that makes less $ is the panthers. The other teams that made less than them are: Buffalo, San Jose, Ottawa( another small market Canadian team), Arizona(obviously), and Columbus.

It’s a “bad take.” According to you’re economic expertise.

 

[Essenege]

The Quebec City area would be a fantastic market. There’s no doubt the rink would be full every game. It’s the corporate sponsorship that’s the question. Is there enough local big company money to support the club?

There are large enough national/provincial companies, like insurance for example, but it lacks there for sure.

I think there is enough to support one professional team. there is nothing similar in Quebec to get clients out so any large Canadian company with presence in Quebec City will have tickets and/or box for clients