Who would you like as the next GM?

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Who should be the next GM

  • Dave Nonis

    Votes: 5 0.9%
  • Ray Shero

    Votes: 8 1.5%
  • Kris Draper

    Votes: 12 2.2%
  • Eric Tulsky

    Votes: 108 19.6%
  • Brandon Pridham

    Votes: 37 6.7%
  • Brad Treliving

    Votes: 34 6.2%
  • Scott Mellanby

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Jim Benning

    Votes: 10 1.8%
  • Peter Chiarelli

    Votes: 9 1.6%
  • Mathieu Darche (TB AGM)

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Jamie Pushor (TB AGM)

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Mark Hunter

    Votes: 16 2.9%
  • Scott Nichol (NSH AGM)

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Laurence Gilman

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Gillis

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • John Chayka

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Marc Bergevin

    Votes: 75 13.6%
  • Stan Bowman

    Votes: 41 7.5%
  • Steve Staios

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Ray Whitney

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Hayley Wickenheiser

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Ryan Hardy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jason Botterill

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Futa

    Votes: 27 4.9%
  • Paul Fenton

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Sean Burke

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • John Ferguson Jr

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Ron Hextall

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Dean Lombardi

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Chuck Fletcher

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 89 16.2%

  • Total voters
    550

So you’re saying there are questions about Toronto’s Core Four forwards and tough decisions about what to do with Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares and William Nylander? I present to you Exhibits A, B, C and D in which Armstrong allowed captains David Backes, Alex Pietrangelo and Ryan O’Reilly to leave St. Louis, as well as fan favorite David Perron. Not all of these decisions worked out, but Armstrong is not afraid to make franchise-changing decisions even if it’s sending the team’s top jersey-sellers on their way.

Would Armstrong even be the one making those decisions with the Maple Leafs?

In St. Louis, he took over as GM in 2010 and worked under team president John Davidson. But in 2012, the Blues bought out Davidson’s contract and then in 2013 appointed Armstrong as president of hockey operations. So for a decade now, Armstrong has been in charge of all hockey decisions in St. Louis. He has stability and the trust of his owner. He keeps Stillman abreast of everything and gets his endorsement on signings and trades, but for all practical purposes, no one stands in his way of doing things the way he wants them done.

Is Armstrong going to leave that setup to be second in charge in Toronto behind Shanahan? Well, Lou Lamoriello did it for three seasons from 2015 to ’18, but Lamoriello is now with the New York Islanders, and his replacement, Dubas, is now looking for a job. Either Shanahan would have to allow some give in having the final say — and why would he do that? — or Armstrong would be giving up a lot of power because he’s infatuated with the idea of working for the Maple Leafs.

Sure there would be a massive reward if all went well, but if it didn’t in four or five years, he’d be 62 or 63 years old and looking for a new place to land.

Granted, Armstrong’s position with the Blues right now isn’t perfect. The team missed the playoffs this season and has limited flexibility to alter the roster because of the long-term contracts on the books.


And yes, Armstrong is responsible for that, so feel free to criticize him. But on the flip side, he has a better pulse of the organization than any person on the planet, and he knows the strengths and weaknesses of every player on the roster and every prospect in the system. His masterful work at the trade deadline has bolstered the organization with three first-round picks, one of which belonged to the Leafs. He’s put months of work into how to use those picks, and soon it will be time to execute that plan.

So that brings us back to the point: Why would Stillman want anyone else to be at the wheel for the retool? I don’t believe he does, and that’s why I think he’s not going to give Shanahan permission to have that dialogue.

Maybe the only way it could happen is if Armstrong went to Stillman and said, “Hey, I’d like to talk to the Maple Leafs.” And is he really going to ask that of the owner who promoted him to president of hockey operations, made him one of the highest-paid executives in the league, allowed him to spend to the salary cap with a small-market team every year, stay long enough to win a Stanley Cup, work simultaneously for Team Canada, and so on?


That would be the gutsiest decision Armstrong has made in his hockey career.
 
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But a lot more money. I think the big thing for a lot of the execs in the league is GM > President in terms of prestige as well.

But if he has no intention of leaving because he has carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing, money sometimes doesn't always matter.

Yep. I don't see a candidate at his level/prestige agreeing to come into a more collaborative environment like the Leafs front office, where you've got a boss.

Which is why I can see a Trevling type, whose probably more open to the setup being a more likely candidate, or an AGM from another team
 
Look at Bowman and his drafts from 2010-2021 real good and still winning cups.
and yet these trades and hiring colliton make me wanna commit sepuku

Copium levels from the people that wanted Dubas out at any cost, are gonna rise to astronomical levels
yeah I really want the best for the leafs; this is a schadenfreude I don't want to be involved in
 
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Thank you friedman for clarfying. MLSE does not make personell decisions as i mentioned a few times on here. They hire and get out of the way. Its been like this since leiweke came on board. Kyle’s moves clearly show he led those decisions. Not sure why friedman even led people to believe this. Such nonsense. Also says pittsburgh has kyle top of their lost


 
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Thank you friedman for clarfying. MLSE does not make personell decisions as i mentioned a few times on here. They hire and get out of the way. Its been like this since leiweke came on board. Kyle’s moves clearly show he led those decisions. Not sure why friedman even led people to believe this. Such nonsense. Also says pittsburgh has kyle top of their lost


Fits with my interpretation. Hopefully accurate. Ownership level interference is the nightmare scenario.

Friedman mentions possible interference, “trades that could have helped”, sort of not really, folks lose minds Shanny is dictator.

Friedman posts clarifications, taken equally face value? This is far more detailed, but still, take all we know and apply critical thinking, is it true?

Me, probably yes, checks lots of boxes.
 
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I think the Calgary setup is best since the experienced GM options are so-so right now.

Quality young GM + Senior Advisor.

The idea of just bringing a GM to resolve next month's issues seems too shortsighted. There has to be a vision for the next 5-10 seasons.
 
Thank you friedman for clarfying. MLSE does not make personell decisions as i mentioned a few times on here. They hire and get out of the way. Its been like this since leiweke came on board. Kyle’s moves clearly show he led those decisions. Not sure why friedman even led people to believe this. Such nonsense. Also says pittsburgh has kyle top of their lost

Also according to Elliotte Friedman:

2. Brad Treliving is expected to be in Toronto this week to meet with the Maple Leafs. Obviously, he won’t be the only interviewee. There’s a ton of interest in this job, but as the organization began to consider alternatives to Dubas, Treliving was very high on the list.

3. Apparently, Scott Mellanby went very far down the road with the Philadelphia job that went to Keith Jones. So that makes me wonder about him for Toronto, too.
 
Pridham could be on the phone today with Matthews agent already testing future contract info, with that NMC about to kick in.

He could already be trying to find a new home for Matt Murray or be factoring in the cost of a buyout on a Salary Cap which he would know how to manage.

He also likely knows the asking prices of some of Leafs many pending UFAs, and can start planing on who stays and who goes.

Lots of upside with the Leafs going with Pridham as an easy transition, with the only downside might be he is/has been to close to the situation and players and if tough choices need to be made then a fresh set of eyes in the GM chair without and previous ties might be required for change to happen.

You do realize he could be doing literally all of this right now as the assistant GM….. he does most of the contracts anyway.

Heck the janitor could be doing it….

I think the Calgary setup is best since the experienced GM options are so-so right now.

Quality young GM + Senior Advisor.

The idea of just bringing a GM to resolve next month's issues seems too shortsighted. There has to be a vision for the next 5-10 seasons.

I wonder if we could do tulsky/Darche and pay treliving a ton to be senior advisor
 

There would be a few hoops to jump through for the Maple Leafs to hire Armstrong.

First, he would have to be interested in the job.
Armstrong has been the Blues’ general manager since July 2010 and has been in the organization since May 2008. He built the Blues into a Stanley Cup champion and will become the longest-tenured GM in the league when David Poile steps away in Nashville at the end of June.

By mid-July, Armstrong would be the longest-tenured GM in Blues history, surpassing the man he replaced in Larry Pleau.

Then, for the Maple Leafs to even speak to Armstrong about the job, they would need permission from the Blues since he is under contract. That decision would come from owner Tom Stillman, who Armstrong reports to.

Teams currently without GMs, like Pittsburgh and Toronto, are best off hiring someone soon before the draft on June 28, or even the combine that begins on June 4. Now, if the Blues even allow the Leafs to speak with Armstrong, they would open themselves up to the possibility of dipping into June without a GM ahead of their biggest draft in recent history.


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A lateral move from one GM position to another has been unprecedented in the last 15 years. Many general managers that move from organization to organization do so with a change in roles and have not immediately jumped from GM to GM.

Ken Holland spent 18 days as a senior vice president in Detroit before he was hired as the Oilers’ general manager. Steve Yzerman was a senior advisor for seven months in Tampa Bay before he moved to Detroit. Lou Lamoriello was a senior advisor for 22 days in Toronto before the Islanders hired him to be the general manager. Dale Tallon (Chicago to Florida) and Jim Rutherford (Carolina to Pittsburgh) had similar paths.

Oddly enough, if the Armstrong to Toronto storyline does take shape, it will harken back to when Brian Burke went from Anaheim to Toronto in 2008. He stepped down as Ducks GM and then was hired by the Maple Leafs.
 
I trust in Shanahan to pick the correct GM.

It is just a huge relief we got Dubas out of town (even if it was a few years later than liked)
You do realize he picked Dubas in the first place? I have ZERO trust in Shanahan picking anything but his nose!

Shanahan is just as responsible for our Leafs failures as anyone else in the organization. He should be fired IMHO !!!!
 
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Thats a pretty weird list. Bowman is still suspended by the league and McPhee and Armstrong are Presidents with other organizations. Below is the equally scientific odds from the Sporting News which inexplicably doesn't include these 3.

Maple Leafs general manager odds​

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Candidate[/TD]
[TD]Odds[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brad Treliving[/TD]
[TD]+125[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eric Tulsky[/TD]
[TD]+396[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brandon Pridham[/TD]
[TD]+800[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mark Hunter[/TD]
[TD]+1200[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Marc Bergevin[/TD]
[TD]+1500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Stan Bowman[/TD]
[TD]+2000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jason Botterill[/TD]
[TD]+2100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Peter Chiarelli[/TD]
[TD]+2100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Laurence Gilman[/TD]
[TD]+2100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jim Benning[/TD]
[TD]+2600[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Scott Mellanby[/TD]
[TD]+2600[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Futa[/TD]
[TD]+3300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ron Hextall[/TD]
[TD]+3400[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hayley Wickenheiser[/TD]
[TD]+3600[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ray Whitney[/TD]
[TD]+4100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brian Burke[/TD]
[TD]+4100[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brad Pascall[/TD]
[TD]+5200[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Doug Gilmour[/TD]
[TD]+7600[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eric Lindros[/TD]
[TD]+7900[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mike Keenan[/TD]
[TD]+10200[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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Hopefully it’s Tulsky or pridhim I just don’t want to go back to the days of signing 3rd and 4th liners for multi year multi million contracts ala lou and Burke
 
Hopefully it’s Tulsky or pridhim I just don’t want to go back to the days of signing 3rd and 4th liners for multi year multi million contracts ala lou and Burke
Well, I would make the distinction between the 3rd and 4th lines. More of the cap needs to be allocated to making the team more threatening when the big guys aren't on.

Look at this Vegas team or even Seattle.
 
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Also according to Elliotte Friedman:

Scott Mellanby has front office experience with Vancouver and Montreal. He was an AGM for 7 years in Montreal but resigned/left right before Bergevin was officially fired.

He could be a good hire in some capacity. Not sure if Head GM fits? But who knows.
 
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Wouldn't Tulsky, from the sounds of it, pretty much be Pridham without the existing years of experience in the organization already? He doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they have a Tulsky already no?
 
Wouldn't Tulsky, from the sounds of it, pretty much be Pridham without the existing years of experience in the organization already? He doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they have a Tulsky already no?

My thoughts exactly. It seems like a lateral move to me, but he's being hyped up big time. Maybe I'm missing something?
 
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Wouldn't Tulsky, from the sounds of it, pretty much be Pridham without the existing years of experience in the organization already? He doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they have a Tulsky already no?

I don't think the background is the same at all. I'm sure they are both good with numbers and pretty smart guys but not sure they are similar in that way.

Tulsky's background is a lot closer to Dubas with analytics and finding inefficiencies or whatever whereas Pridham is more into the lawyer aspect of it.
 
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I don't think the background is the same at all. I'm sure they are both good with numbers and pretty smart guys but not sure they are similar in that way.

Tulsky's background is a lot closer to Dubas with analytics and finding inefficiencies or whatever whereas Pridham is more into the lawyer aspect of it.
Fair enough. Can't claim to have dove in to it, just what I read here.
 
I think Peter Chiarelli is atleast worth interviewing. He was bad for Edmonton but I really like what he did for Boston, especially the moves he made to round out the cup winning team. even just little moves like trading a 3rd for Daniel Paille who stepped up in the cup final and was really affective for them in a defensive role. He got a huge return for Kessel, traded Matt Hendricks for Johnny Boychuk and several other solid moves .
 
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I don't think the background is the same at all. I'm sure they are both good with numbers and pretty smart guys but not sure they are similar in that way.

Tulsky's background is a lot closer to Dubas with analytics and finding inefficiencies or whatever whereas Pridham is more into the lawyer aspect of it.

It could be fair to say though given the environment Pridham has been in, that he would have a similar appreciation for the "hockey numbers" as well.

But pretty much every team does now anyway.
 
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