Who would you like as the next GM?

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Who should be the next GM

  • Dave Nonis

    Votes: 5 0.9%
  • Ray Shero

    Votes: 8 1.5%
  • Kris Draper

    Votes: 12 2.2%
  • Eric Tulsky

    Votes: 108 19.6%
  • Brandon Pridham

    Votes: 37 6.7%
  • Brad Treliving

    Votes: 34 6.2%
  • Scott Mellanby

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Jim Benning

    Votes: 10 1.8%
  • Peter Chiarelli

    Votes: 9 1.6%
  • Mathieu Darche (TB AGM)

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Jamie Pushor (TB AGM)

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Mark Hunter

    Votes: 16 2.9%
  • Scott Nichol (NSH AGM)

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Laurence Gilman

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Gillis

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • John Chayka

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Marc Bergevin

    Votes: 75 13.6%
  • Stan Bowman

    Votes: 41 7.5%
  • Steve Staios

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Ray Whitney

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Hayley Wickenheiser

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Ryan Hardy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jason Botterill

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Mike Futa

    Votes: 27 4.9%
  • Paul Fenton

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Sean Burke

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • John Ferguson Jr

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Ron Hextall

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Dean Lombardi

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • Chuck Fletcher

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 89 16.2%

  • Total voters
    550
I'm a little confused by people acting like GM -> President -> Ownership isn't a very normal reporting structure though. A GM here will be given a blank cheque and seemingly unlimited resources, just like we heard about Dubas the entire time. We literally had articles written where execs around the league talked about how jealous they were of it.

There will be people who see this as an enticing spot, IMO.
On some teams the GM has near-total autonomy on the sports side while those higher up handle business matters. On some there is a collaboration. Then there are those where ownership meddles constantly to the detriment of the team.
 
On some teams the GM has near-total autonomy on the sports side while those higher up handle business matters. On some there is a collaboration. Then there are those where ownership meddles constantly to the detriment of the team.
The upshot for the Leads points to colloborattion. We're splitting hairs beyond it asking who what and when.
 
Tanenbaum is spineless and pathetic.

They are trying to shift accountability onto the players. Who's running this team? Is it Tanenbaum and Shanahan?

Or is it Auston and Mitch?

The fact they are all sitting there twiddling their thumbs because they don't know if the players will re-sign is pathetic. Since when did the future of the team become the responsibility of the players instead of management? No wonder the team is a loser.

It's just a reflection of the owner.

Loser owner.

Loser president. Loser manager. Loser coach.

Loser team.
Tanenbaum is a figurehead. As if we are in some unique situation, at a crossroads unparalleled, the likes of which has never been seen. Bud, it is ok. We're a very good team, loaded with talent, unrealized in playoffs so far, we are as well off as we have been in 30 year. Lets get those fresh eyes in, my vote change the coach too, and lets go. Matthews you sign, no question, beyond that, lets see. The situation for the next gm is good. Like god damn, there's player contracts to do? Oh f***, the horror. It'll happen. Nobody except the Islander losing JT ever gets fully hosed in these situations, just never. It doesn't happen.


New GM needs to threaten to scratch Tavares every single game of the season if he doesn't waive his NMC.
Should go well.

Bud, this isn't even a real suggestion. You logically know this isn't an option, you're not an idiot. Why bother?
 
I'm a little confused by people acting like GM -> President -> Ownership isn't a very normal reporting structure though. A GM here will be given a blank cheque and seemingly unlimited resources, just like we heard about Dubas the entire time. We literally had articles written where execs around the league talked about how jealous they were of it.

There will be people who see this as an enticing spot, IMO.
That structure is totally normal. The problem is, many of the experienced GM's in the league have both titles and won't want to come here for a GM only title in addition to having to run everything by Shanahan.
 
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I want:

1. Someone who has won it all, but who isn't afraid to adapt to new concepts or make course corrections.
2. Someone who is dedicated to not just seeing this through, but to more importantly see that this team in particular ends its drought, while not blinded by blue.
3. Someone who understands the fan base, the media, the history, and the expectations.
4. Someone who isn't phased by #3and even embraces it.
5. Someone who will go to bat for his players, staff, and community while playing hardball with agents, other GMs, and league officials.

I guess I'm asking too much.
 


The Future Of Kyle Dubas | 32 Thoughts

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May 22, 2023 32 Thoughts

Jeff and Elliotte discuss what might be next for Kyle Dubas and where Toronto might go from here. They also get into the situation in Calgary and much more on this full episode of 32 Thoughts.

02:40 - Kyle Dubas x Penguins

11:00 - Where Toronto might go from here
 
Tanenbaum is a figurehead. As if we are in some unique situation, at a crossroads unparalleled, the likes of which has never been seen. Bud, it is ok. We're a very good team, loaded with talent, unrealized in playoffs so far, we are as well off as we have been in 30 year. Lets get those fresh eyes in, my vote change the coach too, and lets go. Matthews you sign, no question, beyond that, lets see. The situation for the next gm is good. Like god damn, there's player contracts to do? Oh f***, the horror. It'll happen. Nobody except the Islander losing JT ever gets fully hosed in these situations, just never. It doesn't happen.



Should go well.

Bud, this isn't even a real suggestion. You logically know this isn't an option, you're not an idiot. Why bother?
I guess you forgot about what Calgary just went through with their two biggest stars last summer.
 

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And so the Maple Leafs are left scrambling and will hire a more conventional general manager unless Shanahan is willing to entrust whatever is left of his tenure at the top of an organization to an untested candidate who has the same priorities as Dubas.

He will hire a general manager who presumably will dismiss head coach Sheldon Keefe.

Intelligence suggests that Brad Treliving, late of the Flames, is emerging as a prime candidate following Calgary ownership’s reversal in allowing their former GM to seek employment before his contract expires June 30 after initially barring him from doing so. Marc Bergevin?

Oh, come on, does he sound like a Shanahan person to anyone?


Dubas said last Monday that he would either return as Leafs GM or step away from the league for a time.

It is impossible to know whether that was a sincere and heartfelt expression of emotion or simply the opening lines of a script.

That’s probably too harsh.

Still, representation of family concerns morphed quickly into a reach for a higher payday.

Business was personal. Isn’t it always?
 
Yeah he was so great. If you're interested in having Andreas Martinsen, Steve Ott and Dwight King lookalike....you'll be fine. I can't wait for Wayne Simmonds extension as well.....

Seriously, that statement I gave out here was mostly a little joke. I said on the Habs board that as much as I thought it was time for him and Timmins to go, that the day that tons of bad coaches and GM's get 2nd, 3rd or a gazillion chances, they should to.

Bergevin did made some good moves. He just wasn't able to build a team. He reacts. Rather than being proactive. Will see who is is available and make it the strategy instead of having the strategy and finding who will fill this. And he had the best goalie in his era...and wasn't able to do squat except the year that was so normal, that we won the Clarence Campbell trophy.

Still...he deserves another shot. In Toronto? If I'm him, I'm staying away from the madness that are those types of markets. But then, his biggest downfall is his ego....so I guess we'll see.

I was just joking. You know me, it shoulda been obvious.. doesnt need a wall of text as a reply. Just play the game.
 
I’m not saying it’s the way things should be, but if reports are true then Shanny is in control of the most important GM decision making.

If he doesn’t plan on changing, there’s no point in bringing in a seasoned, strong GM.

IF this is the situation, I can see them bringing in an assistant GM who gets to learn the ropes while Shanny pulls the strings in the background. A more explicit and structured version of what was happening with Dubas.
 
On some teams the GM has near-total autonomy on the sports side while those higher up handle business matters. On some there is a collaboration. Then there are those where ownership meddles constantly to the detriment of the team.
Sure, of course. On some teams, (usually very established) GMs get to be President too.

But it goes GM -> President -> Owner on many teams - this isn't a new thing, or at all abnormal really but it's kind of being painted as unfair or crazy that first time GM who'd never won a round had a President to report to and I think that's a bit odd.

As to your ownership meddling part... we really never heard anything about ownership + Dubas aside from that he was allowed to hire 437535 assistant GMs, and that he got basically a blank cheque in terms of staff, resources, scouts, etc.

I'd say I was a Dubas supporter but it seems like there's this effort in the media right now with sources trying to place why he didn't succeed here on anyone but him and I think that's kind of revisionist, tbh.
 
I never understand how people shit on Dubas for things like contracts and then vouch for guys like Doug Armstrong who hands out Torey Krug his awful contract and let Pietrangelo walk. There are a number of bad contracts on that STL team and they went from a cup winner to a bottom dweller in a matter of a couple years
My feeling is that Armstrong would be the most likely to trade Marner. Guy is a bit on the side of an all in gambler. I doubt Shanny goes in that direction given the difficulty of his existing contract. Seems more trouble than it's worth.
 
I never understand how people shit on Dubas for things like contracts and then vouch for guys like Doug Armstrong who hands out Torey Krug his awful contract and let Pietrangelo walk. There are a number of bad contracts on that STL team and they went from a cup winner to a bottom dweller in a matter of a couple years
Because most of the fans here are stupid and short sighted. They demand perfection from GMs and assume the one they hate did everything wrong and the ones that won a Cup or went on a deep run did everything right. Most GMs have a bad signing, trade, draft pick they regret but the good ones are able to counteract that with good ones.
 

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And so the Maple Leafs are left scrambling and will hire a more conventional general manager unless Shanahan is willing to entrust whatever is left of his tenure at the top of an organization to an untested candidate who has the same priorities as Dubas.

He will hire a general manager who presumably will dismiss head coach Sheldon Keefe.

Intelligence suggests that Brad Treliving, late of the Flames, is emerging as a prime candidate following Calgary ownership’s reversal in allowing their former GM to seek employment before his contract expires June 30 after initially barring him from doing so. Marc Bergevin?

Oh, come on, does he sound like a Shanahan person to anyone?


Dubas said last Monday that he would either return as Leafs GM or step away from the league for a time.

It is impossible to know whether that was a sincere and heartfelt expression of emotion or simply the opening lines of a script.

That’s probably too harsh.

Still, representation of family concerns morphed quickly into a reach for a higher payday.

Business was personal. Isn’t it always?
He is a self serving, scheming, machavellian, egotistical fraud...
Should have been canned long ago...
 
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Big big fish will want full autonomy, that isn‘t going to work here. For me Pridham is making more and more sense, he can work under Shanny, he is a genius in many ways, he knows the organization, brings continuity, has been an assistant GM for years, has past draft experience, he seems a really good fit. We all sing this guy’s praises, Dubas included, I’m fine with handing him the reins, and I’d add his cap guru status cant hurt with contracts. Isn’t the sexy pick, but maybe the shrewdest.
 
Big big fish will want full autonomy, that isn‘t going to work here. For me Pridham is making more and more sense, he can work under Shanny, he is a genius in many ways, he knows the organization, brings continuity, has been an assistant GM for years, has past draft experience, he seems a really good fit. We all sing this guy’s praises, Dubas included, I’m fine with handing him the reins, and I’d add his cap guru status cant hurt with contracts. Isn’t the sexy pick, but maybe the shrewdest.
Maybe having Treliving and Pridham working together isn’t such a bad thing. A point of view from someone who has been outside the organization could be valuable. No emotional attachment to the core but can agree to work in tandem with Shanahan and Pridham.
 
Big big fish will want full autonomy, that isn‘t going to work here. For me Pridham is making more and more sense, he can work under Shanny, he is a genius in many ways, he knows the organization, brings continuity, has been an assistant GM for years, has past draft experience, he seems a really good fit. We all sing this guy’s praises, Dubas included, I’m fine with handing him the reins, and I’d add his cap guru status cant hurt with contracts. Isn’t the sexy pick, but maybe the shrewdest.

I’ve that similarly. Also worth note is that allegedly other teams have been poking around. If we don’t make him GM, we may lose him entirely
 
Sure, of course. On some teams, (usually very established) GMs get to be President too.

But it goes GM -> President -> Owner on many teams - this isn't a new thing, or at all abnormal really but it's kind of being painted as unfair or crazy that first time GM who'd never won a round had a President to report to and I think that's a bit odd.

As to your ownership meddling part... we really never heard anything about ownership + Dubas aside from that he was allowed to hire 437535 assistant GMs, and that he got basically a blank cheque in terms of staff, resources, scouts, etc.

I'd say I was a Dubas supporter but it seems like there's this effort in the media right now with sources trying to place why he didn't succeed here on anyone but him and I think that's kind of revisionist, tbh.

Well said. I also liked Dubas a lot and wanted him back but a lot of this stuff seems like people really don't know how most GMs need to operate. You don't think that new GM/President would have to talk to board even if Shanahan was fired? They'd be on his ass for a lot of things. It's the highest paid and toughest exec job in the NHL. Dubas and Shanahan probably disagreed a lot but there's no way all the moves over the last 2 or so years are defaulted to Dubas being put in a corner. He got plenty of room to do what he wanted and this past deadline the Leafs made wild additions... are we to believe Dubas wasn't happy that he could do all that and I'm supposed to believe he was handcuffed?

Dubas had the world of money under him and for the most part did pretty well building something really good at the management level but the performance at the ice level wasn't good enough when it mattered.
 
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The should just make Bieber the GM, then AM will be happy and he will stay here forever for next to nothing.

(I’m kidding, of course.)

I know they have to take their time on this, to a certain extent, but every day that passes is another day closer to the draft, and 1 July.

Clock’s ticking, MLSE…..
 

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