Who would you like as the next GM?

[Gallagbi]

He is already there, no need to bring him back if you want to "Clear the Slate" again

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What about Cliff's boy Chuck Fletcher?

He didnt do so well with NTCs last time and im sure itll take him 6 weeks to get the players name right after that whole Finger debacle

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Not this simple, but there is a pretty big difference in drafting between these 2

This also fails to mention that Treliving drafted the likes of Mangiapane, Fox, Dube, Andersson and Kylington…too small of a sample size. Treliving is a good GM and Dubasites will go to any lengths possible to try and say he isn’t.

 

[Menzinger]

What happened to Futa? He was hot commodity at one point.

He's interviewed for most of the open GM jobs over the last decade and has never been offered one....

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Futa
Darche
Tulsky
Mellanby
Pirdham promotion

Would be my preference

So more rookies

 

[TheRumble]

I find it hilarious that the first round crowd that had been entirely results oriented ignore the results of Treliving's decade in Calgary which has amounted to this:

2014-15 - Made the playoffs, beat the Canucks

2015-16 - Missed the playoffs, drafted Tkachuk

2016-17 - Made the playoffs, traded their first for Hamonic in the off season

2017-18 - Missed the playoffs, Hamonic was a bust, 1st was a 10th overall pick. Traded Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin in the off season - actually an excellent trade all things considered.

2018-19 - One of the best teams in the league, lost in round 1

2019-20 - Team was in the last playoff spot before season got suspended.

2020-21 - Missed the playoffs in the easiest division in the league.

2021-22 - One of the best teams in the league. Lost in round 2 to Edmonton.

2022-23 - Missed the playoffs.

Based on results, what am I missing here? He's a guy that has created a team that yo-yos in between good and bad seasons every year. If this is the best the Leafs can do it's a terrible botch, and I'm not saying Treliving is a bad GM but that's not a clear upgrade from Dubas.

Also the guy that unironically suggest Chuck Fletcher needs to be banned.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

This is a list with not even one game of GM experience. Grass is always greener, right?

So more rookies

Yup let's go after Treliving Fletcher Chiarelli or Bergevin. Great experience there. Head shakes.

 

[Notsince67]

He sounds a lot like Dubas.
I like Dubas and feel Shanny made a mistake letting him go but he mentioned experience is an attractive quality he is looking for.

That kind of takes Tulsky out of the equation, no?


Marner was a no brainer and thanks for Woll but he butchered the Korshkov pick and probably many more.

He’s not for us, we have to keep dating others till we find the right GM.

So short of debrincat and and Kryou, which earth shattering picks were missed at that ranking tier exactly and why didn't Yzerman lose his job over hajek 6 picks down?
This drafting bullshit was perpetuated by the Dubas cult who needed to tear down Hunter to prove how much he was more worthy. There wasn't any obviously better players by any large number

 

[Wrong Wilson]

He is already there, no need to bring him back if you want to "Clear the Slate" again

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What about Cliff's boy Chuck Fletcher?

I'm sure Cliff will push Shanny to interview Chuck

 

[phillipmike]

Not this simple, but there is a pretty big difference in drafting between these 2

Kind of dishonest to cut out the first round because the leafs had 2 in that span and one of them has a severe illness.

Three of those first round picks from 2018 to 2022 for Calgary are in the Hockey Writer’s mid season top 50;

24. Matthew Coronato
27. Jacob Pelletier
47. Connor Zary

Leafs have 0 in the top 100.

But if you use those numbers, #1 is Durzi with 136 games and he played none with the leafs. So a great pick undone by a not so great trade.

After Durzi, next in the list is Potus Holmberg with 37 and Robertson with 31. So nothing to run home with.

Dubas was also interim GM in 2015. So he headed the 2015 draft and his non first round picks were;

Dermott
Bracco
Nielsen
Dzierkals
Lindgren
Timashov
Desrocher
Korostelev

Treliving in 2015:
Rasmus Andersson
Oliver Kylington
Pavel Karnaukhov
Andrew Mangiapane
Riley Bruce

Add the 2015 draft in and the numbers turn to this;

Treliving:
31 picks
888 games

Dubas:
41 picks
551 games

 

[TheDoldrums]

Dubas was also interim GM in 2015. So he headed the 2015 draft

Were you a Leafs fan in 2015? Because the team repeatedly and expressedly said that Mark Hunter ran the drafts at that time

 

[JKG33]

I find it hilarious that the first round crowd that had been entirely results oriented ignore the results of Treliving's decade in Calgary which has amounted to this:

2014-15 - Made the playoffs, beat the Canucks

2015-16 - Missed the playoffs, drafted Tkachuk

2016-17 - Made the playoffs, traded their first for Hamonic in the off season

2017-18 - Missed the playoffs, Hamonic was a bust, 1st was a 10th overall pick. Traded Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin in the off season - actually an excellent trade all things considered.

2018-19 - One of the best teams in the league, lost in round 1

2019-20 - Team was in the last playoff spot before season got suspended.

2020-21 - Missed the playoffs in the easiest division in the league.

2021-22 - One of the best teams in the league. Lost in round 2 to Edmonton.

2022-23 - Missed the playoffs.

Based on results, what am I missing here? He's a guy that has created a team that yo-yos in between good and bad seasons every year. If this is the best the Leafs can do it's a terrible botch, and I'm not saying Treliving is a bad GM but that's not a clear upgrade from Dubas.

Also the guy that unironically suggest Chuck Fletcher needs to be banned.

The thing is, Calgary wasn't built on the back of three high draft picks that do damage in the regular season... 4 if you include Tavares.

Trieliving did it without truly tanking and still has more success than Dubas.

Literally all Dubas had to do was bring in coaches and vets to teach the kids how to play winning hockey, and fill in depth and goaltending.

What did he do? Dumpster dove on goaltending, had a rotating cast on defence that lacked any real talent besides Rielly and Schenn, brought in vets like Spezza, Thornton, and Giordano who aren't known for playoff success, and hired the only loser coach he's ever hired

 

[The Shrike]

So, they want an experienced GM, but wouldn't someone of that ilk want more autonomy?

 

[phillipmike]

Tell me you weren't a Leafs fan in 2015 without telling me you weren't a Leafs fan in 2015

Sault's Dubas named Maple Leafs interim general manager

On an interim basis, Kyle Dubas has moved up with the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Maple Leafs announced on Sunday that Dave Nonis has been relieved of his position as general manager.

www.sootoday.com

 

[JKG33]

If McPhee is available he'd be my 1st choice. I think he was forced into a promotion because Vegas didn't want to lose McCrimmon.

Armstrong is another interesting name. He built a damn good team and tore it down real quick. Problem with him is he downgraded Pietrangelo to Faulk over a squabble of about $1m aav, and now has built his team around a Charmain Ultra Soft duo Thomas and Kyrou.

0 interest in Pridham or Tulsky or anyone else with no real hockey/GM experience

 

[phillipmike]

Ive been advocating for Poile. I was responding to her being a "piece of crap".

I would absolutely take her as GM over horror shows like Chiarelli, Hextall, or Fletcher because she can't possibly be a worse option then those guys. Fletcher literally said he signed a player because he was a "lizard". WTF.

You are mistaking Fletcher with Fenton.

Fenton makes wild comparison: Zuccarello 'like a lizard' with his stick

Paul Fenton must've caught an interesting reptile documentary on the WildLife Channel recently. The Minnesota Wild general manager gave an interesting analogy when discussing the club's newest free-agent acquisition, Mats Zuccarello."One of the top playmakers in the league, if you watch the way...

www.thescore.com

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yup let's go after Treliving Fletcher Chiarelli or Bergevin. Great experience there. Head shakes.

Rookies don't work here, Dubas and Keefe proved that.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

If McPhee is available he'd be my 1st choice. I think he was forced into a promotion because Vegas didn't want to lose McCrimmon.

Armstrong is another interesting name. He built a damn good team and tore it down real quick. Problem with him is he downgraded Pietrangelo to Faulk over a squabble of about $1m aav, and now has built his team around a Charmain Ultra Soft duo Thomas and Kyrou.

0 interest in Pridham or Tulsky or anyone else with no real hockey/GM experience

I agree, McPhee is the best option from the experienced GMs.

Armstrong is too hit and miss. But not the worst option in the world.

Tulsky is the best overall choice in my eyes and he's essentially the GM in Carolina. Waddell just handles the business elements of the role. He would also be 100% compatible with the existing Leafs setup leading to a smoother transition.

They just gotta steer clear from the likes of Treliving, Bergevin, Chiarelli, and Hextall. Not all experience is good experience when it comes to GMs. Almost all of the recent cup-winning GMs were rookie GMs (Brisebois, Sakic, and MacLellan) when they took up their roles.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I know Friedman mentioned Doug Armstrong but that makes 0 sense. He’s under contract until 2025-26, how do we get around that?

He would have to ask the Blues for permission I would suggest.

The Blues are about to start a rebuild, so perhaps he might make the case that they need someone looking to commit to a new long term plan.

He seems like a long shot suggestion at best.

It will be interesting to see who might show interest in the job though.

Rookies don't work here, Dubas and Keefe proved that.

Along with JFJ.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So, they want an experienced GM, but wouldn't someone of that ilk want more autonomy?

Probably and they will probably get it because they have earned it.

He would have to ask the Blues for permission I would suggest.

The Blues are about to start a rebuild, so perhaps he might make the case that they need someone looking to commit to a new long term plan.

He seems like a long shot suggestion at best.

It will be interesting to see who might show interest in the job though.


Along with JFJ.

Him too yes, in fact he's the biggest example

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

So, they want an experienced GM, but wouldn't someone of that ilk want more autonomy?

Autonomy on every team has it’s limits, unless you’re the owner.

 

[Martin Skoula]

This also fails to mention that Treliving drafted the likes of Mangiapane, Fox, Dube, Andersson and Kylington…too small of a sample size. Treliving is a good GM and Dubasites will go to any lengths possible to try and say he isn’t.

I didn’t realize there were so many Dubas cultists in Calgary, they must have tricked those poor westerners into hating Treliving.

 

[Amadeus]

McPhee is already President of Hockey Ops. Being the GM is a demotion for him.

Jason Boterill can be an option as well.

 

[phillipmike]

Along with JFJ.

And Gord Stellick.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Rookies don't work here, Dubas and Keefe proved that.

What did Burke prove about vets?

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Rookies don't work here, Dubas and Keefe proved that.

So based on the names being tossed around Treliving Fletcher Chiarelli or Bergevin? Or the guy that covers up the sexual assault? Yikes f*** no.

Better hope we can poach someone competent currently employed. Which is doubtful.