Speculation: Who would MAYBE want Nurse?

[Ledge And Dairy]

Hence me saying the Hawks wouldn't have gotten the 1st. There is a massive f***ing difference between having to pay a 1st like people were suggesting fro Jones and are for Nurse, and returning a 1st and a promising young player with 2.5m retention.

My point is Nurse doesn't have negative value, despite what the HF braintrust thinks. Don't get me wrong, as a Flames fan, I'd love for it to be true, but he does have some value, even at full price... not a ton, but he does have some. He'd probably return something in teh neighborhood of something with the value of a second rounder.

A 2nd? I doubt that. Trouba got Vaakanainen and a 4th

 

[wintersej]

I think we saw with Seth Jones that defensemen has SIGNIFICANTLY more trade value than HF wants to admit. Before the trade so many people were saying exactly the same thing about Jones as they are about Nurse "attach a 1st... etc"... but then with a smaller retention, the Hawks got back an unprotected 1st in 2026 or 2027 and a young goalie that was a recent(ish) 1st rounder and is touted to be one of the best goalies of the future. Without retention, I think the Hawks still get Knight, who I think still has at least 2nd round value.

The way people talk about Nurse, he might be one of the most underrated defensemen in the NHL now.

I think the difference between Jones flailing on a tire fire team and Nurse on the contender Oilers is something you are failing to take into account.

 

[TheNewEra]

Jarry for Nurse....

fair one to add, how did i miss that

 

[Rabid Ranger]

He would be the best defenseman on Pittsburgh. Not sure he would waive for them though. Dubas will need futures back too.

He would?

 

[sauce66871]

Count me in on the Jarry for Nurse. I’d do it straight up.

 

[The Real JT]

A man needs a maid. Not a nurse.

 

[BleedBlue14]

How did I miss the point? I never once said they should trade him. I am saying IF THEY DID he has some value

Because realistically they cannot trade him. He holds all of the cards. What team that could benefit from adding him would also somewhere he would rather be than playing with McDavid and Draisaitl in Edmonton?

If they can’t trade him, he effectively has no value.

Theoretically sure they could move him to say Dallas/Colorado/Vegas/Florida/Tampa if they retain a bit like the Jones trade and take on salary of a distressed piece that has some upward mobility like Knight and get a return.

So what are we looking at here?

Oilers eating 2.25m for the length of Nurses contract and potentially getting back in return something like Samuel Girard and a 1st? That clears about 2m in cap for them while changing the outlook of their defense, probably not for the better.

Dallas doesn’t really need a LD, Vegas doesn’t need a LD, Florida does I guess.

Maybe they trade Mikkola for Nurse with the retention and don’t add anything else. That clears up about 3 and a half million and downgrades Edmontons defense.

He’s not really movable to the level that Edmonton would need to move him and benefit from it.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Jarry for Nurse....

Why would Nurse leave Edmonton for Pittsburgh or any of the other locations listed in the post you replied to?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Why would Nurse leave Edmonton for Pittsburgh or any of the other locations listed in the post you replied to?

He has a NMC for 2 more years. Id be open to taking on Nurse the unfortunate part is he would want to go to a competitor

 

[BleedBlue14]

He has a NMC for 2 more years. Id be open to taking on Nurse the unfortunate part is he would want to go to a competitor

I think a few teams would be open to it, he's still a decently useful top 4 guy. The issue is he's paid to be an elite player and he wont be able to reach that without being on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl.

To be honest with you best case for Edmonton is probably to shop Bouchard for the best thing they can get from him, Find a top 4 RD to replace him that isn't geared as much towards the PP and then feed those minutes to Nurse safeguarding them if they need to move him after his NMC is up where it'd probably show a bit of growth points wise as well.

Either way I think there's maybe 4 teams that Nurse would waive from Edmonton for and 2 of them are loaded up at LD, and the other two don't have a great cap situation. Either way Edmonton isn't going to be able to clear more than 2 or 3m in moving him and are going to blow an even bigger hole in their defense than they currently have

 

[MrLunatik]

I think the difference between Jones flailing on a tire fire team and Nurse on the contender Oilers is something you are failing to take into account.

I think you're massively overstating how badly Nurse has been "flailing"... goalies with more holes than Elaine Davidson make defensemen look much worse than they are.

If you don't know who Elaine Davidson is, she holds the world record for the most piercings.

 

[fasterthanlight]

The San jose sharks would definitely take nurse plus futures if he'd be willing to come here.

 

[Macheteops]

Nurse has been fine. Overpaid but fine. Pick couple small old forwards that are useless to start with and also run Stu out of town

 

[ElPrimeTime]

If he waived for Pittsburgh

2 mill retained on Nurse
++

Karlsson 50% retained at 5 million.

Effectively making Karlsson a 7 million guy for 2 years then they eat 2 million retained the next couple of years.

Bouchard would need to be traded as well in this scenario.

I had these thoughts last year before Broberg was let go, but would still be on board if everyone waives and it doesn't piss off McDavid enough to not re-sign. Bouchard wouldn't need to be traded in this scenario. You'd go in with:

Ekholm-Karlsson
Walman-Bouchard
Kulak-Emberson

 

[robbieberns]

the only landing spot for Nurse at this point is a hospital

 

[miscs75]

Grubauer for Nurse
Laine for Nurse
Duclair+Mayfield for Nurse
Merzlikens for Nurse
Compher+Holl for Nurse

Will need to add picks to balance values but just some basis of blah for blah

The Islanders trade 2 guys who are cheaper combined for one contract that’s more expensive with the same term as one of them? Thats not good asset management at all. Removing both Mayfield and Duclair to add on Nurse doesn’t benefit the Islanders in any way. Now if Nurse was expiring in 2027, then it would be worth it.

 

[Tifosi]

I was told Nurce have more value than Jones LMFAO

 

[TheNewEra]

The Islanders trade 2 guys who are cheaper combined for one contract that’s more expensive with the same term as one of them? Thats not good asset management at all. Removing both Mayfield and Duclair to add on Nurse doesn’t benefit the Islanders in any way. Now if Nurse was expiring in 2027, then it would be worth it.

duclair basically got booted off the team and it doesnt sound like roy is going anywhere so thats pure dead cap unless you think Roy is going to be reasonable in said situation

i dont watch the isles regularly and im not going to pretend otherwise but i was told mayfield regressed. The million dollar question is do you believe nurse infront of sorokin would be better than mayfield infront of sorokin. I think so but there is a risk involved. Its also why i said picks would need to be involved in most of what i suggested.

Now mayfield could be great this year and the 2 posters just hate him for some reason, in which case i take it back

 

[miscs75]

duclair basically got booted off the team and it doesnt sound like roy is going anywhere so thats pure dead cap unless you think Roy is going to be reasonable in said situation

i dont watch the isles regularly and im not going to pretend otherwise but i was told mayfield regressed. The million dollar question is do you believe nurse infront of sorokin would be better than mayfield infront of sorokin. I think so but there is a risk involved. Its also why i said picks would need to be involved in most of what i suggested.

Now mayfield could be great this year and the 2 posters just hate him for some reason, in which case i take it back

He could be better but trading 2 contracts for one with the same term really isn’t good asset management, especially when it’s an extra $2m in salary. Ideally they need to move out the contracts with term, not just rotate them for the same expiration. Nothing to do with how the season ended for Duclair or how Mayfield played. Personally I’d rather move both and get future considerations in return to just clear off the player/contract to start fresh.

 

[TheNewEra]

He could be better but trading 2 contracts for one with the same term really isn’t good asset management, especially when it’s an extra $2m in salary. Ideally they need to move out the contracts with term, not just rotate them for the same expiration. Nothing to do with how the season ended for Duclair or how Mayfield played. Personally I’d rather move both and get future considerations in return to just clear off the player/contract to start fresh.

fair, you would get future considerations for mayfield, i dont see it with duclair considering how the season ended and his season as a whole

Im sure the isles can get something for duclair with retention, 1.75 million in dead space is better than 3.5

 

[ElPrimeTime]

I was told Nurce have more value than Jones LMFAO

I would like to see proof of this. I can't recall any Oiler fan talking about Nurse having positive value at his current contract. If he was making $6M or so, he has some value on a second pairing.

 

[miscs75]

fair, you would get future considerations for mayfield, i dont see it with duclair considering how the season ended and his season as a whole

Im sure the isles can get something for duclair with retention, 1.75 million in dead space is better than 3.5

Even then, the $1.75 more becomes 5.25m for the final 2 years since Duclair ends in 2028. Still not worth it. To move Nurse, it would need to include retention on Edmontons part or take an equally rough amount of salary back in return.

 

[Hospy]

Pay the Sabres to take him via picks and prospects? He would help their D, they dont spend to the cap.

The Sabres don't have that much space, not to mention they have Dahlin/Power/Byram on the left side, LD is practically the only thing they don't need.

 

[King'sPawn]

The Kings would love Nurse to stay in Edmonton

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think we saw with Seth Jones that defensemen has SIGNIFICANTLY more trade value than HF wants to admit. Before the trade so many people were saying exactly the same thing about Jones as they are about Nurse "attach a 1st... etc"... but then with a smaller retention, the Hawks got back an unprotected 1st in 2026 or 2027 and a young goalie that was a recent(ish) 1st rounder and is touted to be one of the best goalies of the future. Without retention, I think the Hawks still get Knight, who I think still has at least 2nd round value.

The way people talk about Nurse, he might be one of the most underrated defensemen in the NHL now.

LHD vs. RHD is a massive factor. A top 4 RHD is a significantly valued thing because there just aren’t that many. It’s not D generally, it’s RHD specifically that get surprising value relative to their quality.