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TheNewEra said:
Chicago retained 2.5 million for 4 years. Thats significant retention not small. Plus Chicago was in a position to retain, the oilers are going to try and be competitive while they have McDavid and Leon so they cant really have that much dead cap
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I also don't really see anyone touting Knight as "one of the best goalies of the future". Jones is also a RHD which has more trade value.

But Nurse will have trade value as big D who can play physical and eat a lot of minutes, he doesn't have negative value. It depends on what the return may be because even with the rising cap I'm not sure many teams would pay value and take his entire contract without sending salary back.

Edmonton also has a relatively depleted prospect and pick pool and a veteran roster, they kind of need to get guys back in a trade that will help them win now.
 
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MrLunatik said:
Hence me saying the Hawks wouldn't have gotten the 1st. There is a massive f***ing difference between having to pay a 1st like people were suggesting fro Jones and are for Nurse, and returning a 1st and a promising young player with 2.5m retention.

My point is Nurse doesn't have negative value, despite what the HF braintrust thinks. Don't get me wrong, as a Flames fan, I'd love for it to be true, but he does have some value, even at full price... not a ton, but he does have some. He'd probably return something in teh neighborhood of something with the value of a second rounder.
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You’re completely missing the point that Nurse has a full NMC and the Oilers are a competitive team, where as Jones was with Chicago that’s full on rebuilding and haven’t figured out how to turn the corner yet.

If Edmonton wanted to retain 2m in Nurse and attach Savoie I’m sure they could get some sort of a return back. But where would Nurse waive to that would want him and be a better situation than where he’s at?
 
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The funny thing is, the Flames are on paper the perfect partner for this.

- Tonnes of cap space
- Need depth on D
- looking for futures primarily
- Could send useful middle six players the other way.

Too bad Flames ownership, managemt, and fans would rather enter into a mutual mass death pact than help the Oilers out in a meaningful way.
 
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Nurse is playing decent enough and has a full NMC,
Better question is "who would actually want Bouchard" and what would the best offer be?
 
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MrLunatik said:
Hence me saying the Hawks wouldn't have gotten the 1st. There is a massive f***ing difference between having to pay a 1st like people were suggesting fro Jones and are for Nurse, and returning a 1st and a promising young player with 2.5m retention.

My point is Nurse doesn't have negative value, despite what the HF braintrust thinks. Don't get me wrong, as a Flames fan, I'd love for it to be true, but he does have some value, even at full price... not a ton, but he does have some. He'd probably return something in teh neighborhood of something with the value of a second rounder.
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He has as much value as a team is willing to pay. He’s also a LD not a RD like Jones, which could effect his value. The Panthers needed to upgrade their RD, it’s up in the air if he’ll replace EK or not, but there was more to the trade than a contending team trying to free up cap and go for an upgrade in Nurse.

He’s not underrated at all imho
 
Kielbasa said:
The funny thing is, the Flames are on paper the perfect partner for this.

- Tonnes of cap space
- Need depth on D
- looking for futures primarily
- Could send useful middle six players the other way.

Too bad Flames ownership, managemt, and fans would rather enter into a mutual mass death pact than help the Oilers out in a meaningful way.
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Flames should keep Andersson. Not sure why they are being stupid
 
Yeah, this isn't like the Jones situation because Jones was the one asking out. Nurse has no reason to want to leave a solid team and he has a full NMC, so if he wants to stay, then that's the end of it.
 
MrLunatik said:
Hence me saying the Hawks wouldn't have gotten the 1st. There is a massive f***ing difference between having to pay a 1st like people were suggesting fro Jones and are for Nurse, and returning a 1st and a promising young player with 2.5m retention.

My point is Nurse doesn't have negative value, despite what the HF braintrust thinks. Don't get me wrong, as a Flames fan, I'd love for it to be true, but he does have some value, even at full price... not a ton, but he does have some. He'd probably return something in teh neighborhood of something with the value of a second rounder.
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for sure, i dont think it costs a first to dump nurse

that being said you have to factor in LD v RD, most likely no retention vs retention, and an under 25 goalie (who i believe still has potential but at the same time is signed for a cool 4.5 million)

like at the end of the day Florida got Jones for 7 million and Chicago had to take 7 million in cap (Knight 4.5 and 2.5). The cap wash allowed Chicago to get more in return. Edmonton cant do that here. I listed some options earlier in the thread and frankly none of those options actually help the oilers compete
 
Porter Stoutheart said:
Nashville is bad enough and has Cap space to absorb Nurse. Plus a goalie in Saros we don't really need during a rebuild. I think the main drawback is just that Barry Trotz doesn't see things that way. So in the real world, he's not going to be looking to make the same kinds of moves that us fans would consider. That makes it just a fun/fantasy exercise more than anything which could actually happen, unfortunately. :dunno:
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Extending Soros. Trading Askrov, then trading Soros a year later?

Woof.
 
Draiskull said:
Flames should keep Andersson. Not sure why they are being stupid
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Andersson doesn't really fit the age window for the team anymore. They have plenty of guys 30+ on long contracts now, signing Andersson to a long term deal on worsens that problem. Nurse will be a little bit more expensive than what I expect Andersson to sign for, but for five years rather than a likely 8.

Also, if you can move Andersson out for long term assets, the get more long term assets for bringing in his replacement, that seems like good asset managemt to me.
 
BleedBlue14 said:
You’re completely missing the point that Nurse has a full NMC and the Oilers are a competitive team, where as Jones was with Chicago that’s full on rebuilding and haven’t figured out how to turn the corner yet.

If Edmonton wanted to retain 2m in Nurse and attach Savoie I’m sure they could get some sort of a return back. But where would Nurse waive to that would want him and be a better situation than where he’s at?
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How did I miss the point? I never once said they should trade him. I am saying IF THEY DID he has some value
 
Kielbasa said:
Andersson doesn't really fit the age window for the team anymore. They have plenty of guys 30+ on long contracts now, signing Andersson to a long term deal on worsens that problem. Nurse will be a little bit more expensive than what I expect Andersson to sign for, but for five years rather than a likely 8.

Also, if you can move Andersson out for long term assets, the get more long term assets for bringing in his replacement, that seems like good asset managemt to me.
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Oilers arent trading Nurse within division. He may not do much but he can certainly make you pay physically.
But fair point re Andersson, didnt know how many RHD Flames have on their squad til i checked.
 
Nurse is not the problem. He's a very good number 3 dman. Sure he's over paid 2M but big deal. Id rather have him at 9 than pay to get rid of him. The real problem is Katz. He's an awful owner for a fan as he really only cares about making money and his boys club so he can enjoy the ride. Winning is secondary on his list and until that changes we will never win a cup. There are too many idiots running the organization to win a cup.

For example, if they found a taker for Nurse they would be dumb enough to give Orlov 8M as a replacement.
 
They’d be better off trading Bouchard at this point, you’d get more in return for him.

The Oilers are going to need to acquire some young assets because if you don’t move either Bouch or Nuge for futures, you got zero young talent coming anytime soon.
 
LTIR said:
Has a full NMC and won't waive unless McDavid leaves before him.
Oilers cant really afford to lose Nurse. As bad as he seems he is the only top4 Dman the Oilers have with Ekholm out.
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You really think there isn’t another city/team where Nurse might think the grass is greener?
 
Pay the Sabres to take him via picks and prospects? He would help their D, they dont spend to the cap.
 
Draiskull said:
Oilers arent trading Nurse within division. He may not do much but he can certainly make you pay physically.
But fair point re Andersson, didnt know how many RHD Flames have on their squad til i checked.
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Oh yeah, there are a number of reasons it would never happen. It's just funny to me that the Oilers' arch-rival is the team best situated to help them in a number of ways.
 
Larry Hanson said:
Hell no, there are 5 years left on that deal. Last thing the Flames need in a rebuild is another long term bloated contract for an under performing player with lots of miles on him.
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Ohh haha. Ya I was looking at puckpedia. The cut off made it look like 3 years. Never mind, pass, that's worse than I thought
 
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