Who won the Canes - Avs - Hawks Trade?

[AhosDatsyukian]

hard to say until this offseason

if Carolina re-signs Rants and/or wins the Cup, them. If he walks and they fall short again Colorado by a mile

Unless Necas also walks from Colorado in a year

 

[FlameChampion]

I know people want to declare a winner on the day of the trade. This one will take some time who did better between Carolina and Colorado

 

[Mobiandi]

The Canes won. They gave themselves a better chance to win the cup this year and that’s all that matters

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Unless Necas also walks from Colorado in a year

We'll just trade his ass too

 

[HabsQC]

If Rantanen re-signs and is still awesome with the Canes they won.

If Rantanen doesn't re-sign but win the cup they atill won.

Avs might flip Necas next year and get something else completely.

 

[Gjman2019]

Canes win

I know Nichushkin will be back and they probably make another deal but man Colorado's lineup on paper looked weaker than weak today.........

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

We'll just trade his ass too

for a guy with 2 years left and then rinse and repeat?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

for a guy with 2 years left and then rinse and repeat?

Yeah, comply or gtfo! lol

 

[Avs2022]

I thought the Canes won. But after watching 2 periods of the Canes game right now Mikko looks like a lost puppy looking for his Mac daddy.

Good to see that Mikko still trips all the time on that invisible cable on the ice and spends a % of his shift on his a$$.

So I say Avs.

I do wish him the best though, I really do miss him. Can't wait for him to sign with the Avs in the off season.

 

[The Nuge]

Chicago lost a bit because they got horrible value.

Colorado lost a lot because they gave up the guy who’s 4th in league scoring over the last 5 years, because of like a million and a half per. Necas is a good player, but he’s definitely not Rantanen, and only signed an extra year.

Carolina remains to be seen. If they win the cup or extend Rantanen, they win in a landslide. If they lose, and he walks, I’d argue it becomes a lose, lose, lose trade

 

[The Nuge]

I thought the Canes won. But after watching 2 periods of the Canes game right now Mikko looks like a lost puppy looking for his Mac daddy.

So I say Avs.

Considering Necas was pointless and -3, that’s maybe premature

 

[Avs2022]

Considering Necas was pointless and -3, that’s maybe premature

Guess you didn't get the cynicism of my post.

 

[T REX]

The answer today might not be the same a year from now.

 

[bobholly39]

One of the worst trades I've ever seen.

Colorado had the most dangerous core in the league with Mack, Rantanen and Makar...retool around it, and you contend every year and possibly win many more cups. Rantanen is great in regular season but also playoffs.

Did he want 2 or 3M AAV more then you wanted to give him? What else are you going to do with that extra 3M a year, sign a random 7th defenseman or 13th forward?

I think it was a stupid move.

I will say, I was impressed by Necas's start this year, so who knows, maybe playing in Colorado he has another level he can hit, and maybe long-term this turns out ~ok. But, as of now, this seems completely stupid and unecessary for Colorado.

Carolina are definitely the winners. I suppose we'll see in a few months though - if Rantanen re-signs in Carolina they win. Who knows, maybe he goes UFA and ends up back in Colorado?

 

[Skolman]

Avalanche save a couple million, got Necas for another two seasons, plus depth in Drury.

Hurricanes get the best player in the deal, and if they win the Cup they won this trade.

However, if they get ousted before at least the Conference Final and Rantanen doesn't re-sign, that arguably lost.

Until then, I'm going Avs.

Wrong.. He's a UFA after next season

 

[thadd]

This trade looks great on the stat sheet for Colorado tonight, but I've always been quite dismissive of Carolina's offensive depth and they've obviously done a great job of addressing that in this trade.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Wrong.. He's a UFA after next season

I'm sure what they meant was another 2 playoffs. Even that may not be true though because the Avs are faced with the same problem next year with Necas. They may have to flip again.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think people are going to be surprised by how good Necas and Drury are

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Avalanche AINEC. They could bump him as 2nd line wing after Nuke comes back and he would still be 90+ point player elevating that line to stratosphere. He and MacKinnon are very simmilar players, they both thriving with the puck on their stick so their style could clash, because both are playdrivers, Necas is not obviously that good....yet.

 

[Lt Dan]

I won the trade

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think people are going to be surprised by how good Necas and Drury are

Necas sure, because most people don’t watch the Canes enough to know him that well.

But why Drury? Low-event faceoff winner, he’s useful for depth but extremely replaceable.

 

[Gillings]

Avs win because if they weren’t resigning him then getting Necas Drury and picks is a pretty good haul for a UFA. Especially one who will want A BAG.

Carolina wins if they can keep Rantanen but Taylor y’all is a throw in.

Chicago loses big time.

 

[PainForShane]

This trade... makes me sad. Rare 3 way blockbuster trade where I feel like everyone lost.

Re: Colorado, none of us know what happened behind closed doors wrt salary negotiations, but reportedly Rants was like, "I need to get paid" and my guess is the Avs maybe thought, 'nope we want a team like Boston (not Toronto) where everyone takes a mil or two less to stay here, starting with our superstars.' MacKinnon did this multiple times, in my opinion Makar did, but others did not -- for example I'm not sure Toews is a 7+ mil top pair D man on most teams but the man got paid, with term and a pretty good modified no trade. Also their middle six forwards got paid (Logan O'Connor, Casey Mittlestadt, Ross Colton etc), if they didn't have cap space to sign Rantanen it's their own fault.

This doesn't 'extend' Colorado's cup window, Necas isn't nearly as good and they're still looking for a legit 2nd line center. This trade reminds me of Chicago trading Panarin for Brandon Saad, maybe the balance sheet looks better but this is now a significantly worse team on paper, while giving up this year. Just... why.

Re: Carolina, if Rants wasn't taking a discount in Col he's definitely not taking one to stay in Carolina. Imo the guy will hit UFA and will get paid -- I guess Carolina could afford to pay him once Orlov, Burns and Roslovic hit UFA but if that's the case they could've just waited until the offseason. I guess this deal works if they win the cup this year, but imo it's the wrong time to go all-in -- even with Rants, it's anyone's guess as to whether they can get past Jersey in the first round. There are a few teams that can make the money work (incl Vegas, funny enough), my point is no one would be surprised if Rants signed elsewhere.

Re: Chicago, who knows if they'd get more from waiting, Taylor Hall hasn't been putting up points for the past few years. But you can't really call it a win for them either, even though the third they're getting will be pretty high.

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I think Taylor Hall wins this trade because now he has a chance to go to the playoffs and stick it to NJ for deciding to trade him while he was still an elite forward. Imo that's about it. But hopefully these teams can go far this year and prove me wrong

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Necas sure, because most people don’t watch the Canes enough to know him that well.

One of the best kept secrets in the league for a while. Ironically, I've always seen him as a Mackinnon lite. He obviously lacks the same power, but in terms of dynamic skating and puck skills, he's right there. Necas is probably a bit more creative as well, though in Carolina he was a bit too selfish at times. Sometimes I wondered if that was partly due to him not always having elite linemates who could keep up him - he's been moving the puck great in his 2 games with Colorado.

But why Drury? Low-event faceoff winner, he’s useful for depth but extremely replaceable.

IMO Drury is the ideal type of player to fill in a bottom 6 C/W on a cup contender. Versatile, responsible, skates well - I find those kind of players to be far from replaceable.

Yeah, he's never gonna pile up the points, but I think a lot of contending teams are looking for low event guys for their bottom 6 roles. Beyond being an elite faceoff man, he's also a very good skater with a heavier release than people realize. He can play center or wing, and can also play on both special teams units, which is valuable as well. And he's also shown the ability to be able to jump in as a top 6 complement to elite offensive play drivers like Necas.

There really aren't a ton of guys out there with his versatility.

 

[HBK27]

Voted Chicago just because I was amazed that was even an option.