Who Wins The Conn Smythe Trophy?

[Grifter3511]

McDavid's to lose now.

 

[Sheppy]

The crazy part is that there will still be idiots who say "mCdAVid DoEsnT hAvE a CuP!" when they evaluate players. I mean, it's not as if the guy isn't giving them every chance in the world to get one.

 

[millax]

I saw a stat during the game last night that there are only three active players who have scored 15 goals in a single playoffs.

Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Zach Hyman

Hyman is 4 goals behind Reggie Leach and Jari Kurri for most goals EVER in a playoffs.

It is crazy that he has accomplished this and has virtually no chance at winning the Conn Smythe.

 

[nturn06]

I saw a stat during the game last night that there are only three active players who have scored 15 goals in a single playoffs.

Sidney Crosby
Alex Ovechkin
Zach Hyman

Hyman is 4 goals behind Reggie Leach and Jari Kurri for most goals EVER in a playoffs.

It is crazy that he has accomplished this and has virtually no chance at winning the Conn Smythe.

Are you saying that McD is a byproduct of Hyman ?

 

[McPoyle]

McDavid wins regardless of the SCF outcome at this point.

 

[pth2]

McDavid wins regardless of the SCF outcome at this point.

Yup, he's dragging his team to the finish line.... even if they lose in game 6 or7, he basically made this a series almost single-handedly.

 

[Buck Naked]

Barkov if Panthers win >> An amazing two-way player. Barkov has shut-down, or limited opponents best players these playoffs, It's been a thing of beauty to witness, he's the real deal. Plus, to preform on biggest stage while playing PP & PK minutes, against best of what teams offer. Wow!!!

You're making it sound like a participation award. The Panthers' PP is awful through the entire playoffs and is currently being outscored in the finals by the Oilers PK. Playing on the PK is great and all, but 4th liners can do that as effectively, as shown by the Oilers historically good PK. Barkov's been great and all, but nothing he's done is really that noteworthy in comparison to what McDavid is doing. It's not close. Even when looking at Barkov's ability to shut down opponents, it's not as effective as McDavid.

5v5 GF%
McDavid: 27-14, 65.85%
Barkov: 12-9, 57.15%

McDavid's splits are so much more impressive, and the 15 GF difference more than makes up for the 5 GA difference.

 

[zar]

Barkov and Tkachuk are out.

The only way McDavid doesn’t get this now is if Bobrovsky posts 2 shutouts in the final couple of games.

 

[Daishi]

The crazy part is that there will still be idiots who say "mCdAVid DoEsnT hAvE a CuP!" when they evaluate players. I mean, it's not as if the guy isn't giving them every chance in the world to get one.

Dude he's getting a cup this year.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Barring a Herculean game from Barkov, I think McDavid is seriously in the running now.

 

[JackSlater]

Barkov if Panthers win >> An amazing two-way player. Barkov has shut-down, or limited opponents best players these playoffs, It's been a thing of beauty to witness, he's the real deal. Plus, to preform on biggest stage while playing PP & PK minutes, against best of what teams offer. Wow!!!

McDavid if Oilers win >> McD is full-package on offense, helps teammates score, and has ability to take game over carrying play himself. McDavid has stepped up these playoffs. I called McDavid out as not being as proven like Kucherov & Crosby were on biggest playoff stage. But last two games have given McDavid weight on the biggest stage, and he did it against legit "Cup" contender.

Whoever above wins "Cup" gets & deserves award

Problem is that McDavid has now torched the narrative for Barkov.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Barkov if Panthers win >> An amazing two-way player. Barkov has shut-down, or limited opponents best players these playoffs, It's been a thing of beauty to witness, he's the real deal. Plus, to preform on biggest stage while playing PP & PK minutes, against best of what teams offer. Wow!!!

McDavid if Oilers win >> McD is full-package on offense, helps teammates score, and has ability to take game over carrying play himself. McDavid has stepped up these playoffs. I called McDavid out as not being as proven like Kucherov & Crosby were on biggest playoff stage. But last two games have given McDavid weight on the biggest stage, and he did it against legit "Cup" contender.

Whoever above wins "Cup" gets & deserves award

Barkov is getting smoked out there lol

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I don't think we should ignore the fact that as recent as two games ago McDavid was choking, Barkov was putting on a clinic and Bobrovsky was basically having his name chiseled into the Conn Smythe. Two excellent games by McDavid certainly puts him in the "wins the Conn Smythe if he loses" conversation. But to act like it would be a scandal if Bobrovsky wins it is wrong as well. The exact same people that think he should have nothing to do with the trophy anymore would have admitted he should win it after Game 3. Now, these were two excellent statement games by McDavid. Were they ever! And 42 points in the playoffs is just otherworldly, and there is a reason only Gretzky and Lemieux ever did it. But there was a guy named Gretzky who did NOT win the Smythe in a losing cause with 40 playoff points. Nor did he win it in a winning cause with 34 points either - in fact his opponent did. Nor did he win it with 38 points in a losing cause either. Do we really ignore Bobrovsky if he returns to his Game 1 or 2 form? That cherry on top and that "go out on top" mindset wouldn't propel him to the Smythe? I could see him taking it to be honest. I could also see McDavid taking it, in a win or a loss. All I will agree on with 10000% certainty is that McDavid takes the Smythe in a win. I would love to see anyone argue against that.

Barkov wasn’t putting on a clinic, Bobrovsky was.

Did you see game 1?

 

[Cyclones Rock]

What makes McDavid's performance even more insanely good has been the almost complete disappearance of Draisatl, Hyman and RNH from the score sheet during the finals.

He may or may not win the Smythe, but he's gone a long way toward cementing his place among the all time greats of the game. Should the Oilers end up winning this thing, no meaningful discussion of all time greats cannot include his name.

 

[gretzkyoilers]

Barkov is getting smoked out there lol

He totally gave up on that breakaway goal from Connor....Brown.....

 

[GoldenKnight]

With all due respect to Tkachuk, Bob, etc...this is McDavid's trophy now, win or lose.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

McDraiman Hopkinsane

 

[Sasha Orlov]

As has been said, if McDavid doesn’t win at this point then this award should no longer be taken seriously

 

[millax]

Are you saying that McD is a byproduct of Hyman ?

I am saying that Hyman is tied for the most goals in the playoffs out of any active player - with at least one more game to play - and because of how amazing McDavid is he won't even be in the discussion for the Conn Smythe.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I am saying that Hyman is tied for the most goals in the playoffs out of any active player - with at least one more game to play - and because of how amazing McDavid is he won't even be in the discussion for the Conn Smythe.

Nor should he be.

 

[GoldenKnight]

Still laughing at this thread, where I caught some flak for posting that Draisaitl needed to prove it in the SCF before being anointed as one of the "best in history" of the playoffs:

Leon Draisaitl is one of the best playoff performers in NHL history

What this man has been able to do in the playoffs is nothing short of legendary. He's #2 all time in playoff points per game, trailing only Wayne Gretzky. (58 game sample size at the time of this posting). Yes, he's ahead of both Lemieux and McDavid. His career regular season PPG is 1.18. His...

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[TheGoldenJet]

This was Tkachuks first good game of the playoffs and you're ready to hand him a Smythe?

How is he leading the Panthers in scoring if this was his first good game? And “good” is an understatement.

Gun to my head, the Smythe is McDavid’s to lose, but if they do give it to a Panther, Tkachuk would be a worthy choice is all I’m saying (provided he finishes strong and Florida wins).

Still laughing at this thread, where I caught some flak for posting that Draisaitl needed to prove it in the SCF before being anointed as one of the "best in history" of the playoffs:

Leon Draisaitl is one of the best playoff performers in NHL history

What this man has been able to do in the playoffs is nothing short of legendary. He's #2 all time in playoff points per game, trailing only Wayne Gretzky. (58 game sample size at the time of this posting). Yes, he's ahead of both Lemieux and McDavid. His career regular season PPG is 1.18. His...

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Yeah, Drai’s play has died down in the later rounds…again.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Still laughing at this thread, where I caught some flak for posting that Draisaitl needed to prove it in the SCF before being anointed as one of the "best in history" of the playoffs:

Leon Draisaitl is one of the best playoff performers in NHL history

What this man has been able to do in the playoffs is nothing short of legendary. He's #2 all time in playoff points per game, trailing only Wayne Gretzky. (58 game sample size at the time of this posting). Yes, he's ahead of both Lemieux and McDavid. His career regular season PPG is 1.18. His...

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He still is one of the best playoff performers of all time but ok

 

[Fataldogg]

I don't get the Barkov vs McDavid argument. Barkov hasn't shut him down, in any capacity, and McDavid is lapping him in points in both the SCF and entire post season.

Barkov is an elite two way forward. McDavid is a top-5 forward of all time and is in his prime right now. It's not close.

 

[PuckG]

The crazy part is that there will still be idiots who say "mCdAVid DoEsnT hAvE a CuP!" when they evaluate players. I mean, it's not as if the guy isn't giving them every chance in the world to get one.

That argument comes from people who have no understanding of how ice hockey or team sport works. Best not to even engage with that rhetoric.