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Who should the Chicago Blackhawks select 2nd overall in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft?

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Who do the Chicago Blackhawks select 2nd overall?

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Malaka said:
Disc herniations aren’t actually a life sentence… of all the issues that could have been with his back, it might really be best case scenario (other than not having any at all)
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I mean... a disc herniation is a common early sign of disc degeneration. Having a disc herniation at 18 is... not good, and I 100% wouldn't draft him based upon that, personally. Especially when you consider that continuing to do the same activity that caused it in the first place... will continually worsen it.
 
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clydesdale line said:
Oh yea there's 0 shot he's going top 3. I don't even know if he slips to 18 if I want the Hawks to take him to be honest (I probably would actually he's too talented but I would also know that window of a long career is likely shorter than most).
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Come on, man.

If Lindstrom was available at 18, it'd be a f***ing miracle. You'd be out of breath with how fast you'd be sprinting to the podium.

I think he still goes top 10.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
Come on, man.

If Lindstrom was available at 18, it'd be a f***ing miracle. You'd be out of breath with how fast you'd be sprinting to the podium.

I think he still goes top 10.
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I don't care which spot he's drafted in, as long as it's not Chicago calling his name.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
I mean... a disc herniation is a common early sign of disc degeneration. Having a disc herniation at 18 is... not good, and I 100% wouldn't draft him based upon that, personally. Especially when you consider that continuing to do the same activity that caused it in the first place... will continually worsen it.
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No it isn't. Disc herniation and degenerative disc disease are two very different things that happen at very different times of your life.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
Come on, man.

If Lindstrom was available at 18, it'd be a f***ing miracle. You'd be out of breath with how fast you'd be sprinting to the podium.

I think he still goes top 10.
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Hey now I said I probably would. He's too f***ing talented regardless if the back takes 5-10 years off his career.
 
Chelios said:
No it isn't. Disc herniation and degenerative disc disease are two very different things that happen at very different times of your life.
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Many, many, many health organizations seem to disagree with you that a disc herniation can be an early sign of disc degeneration. A herniated disc commonly can be an early sign of disc degeneration is something stated by numerous major health groups. I can drop some links to reference if you'd like? Age is irrelevant to what I'm talking about, especially when it comes to athletes, who expose themselves to greater risk of chronic injury based upon the nature of what they do.

Never said it was a guarantee, so I should have clarified that it "can be" a sign.

It's still enough to scare me off from drafting an 18 year old that has a higher risk of back injury shortening his career. At least with the #2 overall. At #18 I'd probably take him, but I wouldn't dream of it at #2.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
I mean... a disc herniation is a common early sign of disc degeneration. Having a disc herniation at 18 is... not good, and I 100% wouldn't draft him based upon that, personally. Especially when you consider that continuing to do the same activity that caused it in the first place... will continually worsen it.
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It’s complicated. If it’s from wear and tear or something like fatigued/weak support muscles let’s say overcompensating from poor skating patterns — where compression/lack of stability is progressively causing the disc to rupture then yeah, you’re correct it’s degenerative and you’re maybe going to see changes even in the bone structure that reflect stenosis and it’ll be a chronic issue probably needing to be managed by surgery. The good news is also that procedures are getting better and artificial discs work well apparently (Eichel)

If it’s the result of trauma like a hit or check though which is likelier for his age of course it’s not degenerative, and the body actually heals very well in those cases.

Depending on what information is real versus actually being reported (could easily see it being downplayed) then it’s one or the other. I’m sure the medical staff for any team considering him will have neurosurgery/radiology heavily consulted to verify what’s going on. To be clear I don’t think we should draft him unless he magically drops, but I would be confused to see it
 
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That’s really disappointing re: Lindstrom. I wish Chicago would trade out of #2.
 
I’d have team doctors look at him and his medicals before the draft to see if it’s something that could be a problem later on. If he fell outside of the top-10, I’d absolutely trade up for him if your doctors gave the okay.
 
ChiHawks10 said:
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Many, many, many health organizations seem to disagree with you that a disc herniation can be an early sign of disc degeneration. A herniated disc commonly can be an early sign of disc degeneration is something stated by numerous major health groups. I can drop some links to reference if you'd like? Age is irrelevant to what I'm talking about, especially when it comes to athletes, who expose themselves to greater risk of chronic injury based upon the nature of what they do.

Never said it was a guarantee, so I should have clarified that it "can be" a sign.

It's still enough to scare me off from drafting an 18 year old that has a higher risk of back injury shortening his career. At least with the #2 overall. At #18 I'd probably take him, but I wouldn't dream of it at #2.
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The word “can” is doing a lot of work there. Degenerative disc “disease” for the most part is a normal part of aging and just a fancy name for the changes that occur to your intervertebral disks as you age. It is present in a big proportion of healthy, pain free people even in their 30s. By your 60s it is present in nearly everyone.

Disc herniation is an issue that occurs mainly in young people and, in most people, can be treated effectively without significant long term issues.
 
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Chelios said:
The word “can” is doing a lot of work there. Degenerative disc “disease” for the most part is a normal part of aging and just a fancy name for the changes that occur to your intervertebral disks as you age. It is present in a big proportion of healthy, pain free people even in their 30s. By your 60s it is present in nearly everyone.

Disc herniation is an issue that occurs mainly in young people and, in most people, can be treated effectively without significant long term issues.
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Not going to argue with you about if a herniated disc for an 18 year old is a red flag to draft him at #2OA. Anyone with a brain would say that it is. Back issues in hockey players are progressively going to get worse. That's just the way it goes in this sport. That's coming from someone who has played it for like 35 years, and has plenty of back issues, himself. An 18 year old who has already had a herniated disc in his back... is more likely than not going to see that disc progressively worsen over time, as it is degenerating, especially playing a high speed, high impact sport like hockey. Why in God's name would it make sense to draft an 18 year old onto an NHL team, at #2OA, who already has back issues that are likely going to be chronic, and will progressively get worse?

If you think that herniated discs aren't a possible indicator or early indication of disc degeneration, I ask that you go look it up yourself.

Or you can just read some of the below links. I highlighted specific references to what I've been saying.

Disc degeneration after disc herniation: are we accelerating the process? - PMC

Study design: Systematic review. Study rationale: Disc degeneration is a common process starting early in life. Often disc herniation is an early step in disc degeneration, which may cause pain or stenosis. How quickly this subsequent disc ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Often disc herniation is an early step in disc degeneration, which may cause pain or stenosis."

www.mayoclinic.org

Herniated disk - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org www.mayoclinic.org
"Disk herniation is most often the result of a gradual, aging-related wear and tear called disk degeneration."

www.aans.org

Herniated Disc

The bones (vertebrae) that form the spine in the back are cushioned by discs. These discs are round, like small pillows, with a tough, outer layer
www.aans.org www.aans.org
"Discs that become herniated usually are in an early stage of degeneration."
 
Davison appears unable to think out of the box. Huge meh pick in Lev.
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