Who should be in the 2024 HHoF class?

t is almost impossible to broke until Marleau did it.
No 2005 lock-out and Messier/Francis has a good shot of breaking it, Messier could still have if he wanted too, maybe Francis does it as well, Thornton got quite close, Chara was less than 100 games away and started to play late.

Jagr needed just 35 games and he spent time in the KHL.

It was not considered almost impossible, I do not think, Howe played in a 50-70 games league, was injured, spent time in a different league, etc... he could have set an impossible record would he have stayed in the nhl (but who knows what happen with the wrist injuries without the retirement)
 
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I'm surprised the number of people saying Keith Tkachuk.

Obvious a good player with ok numbers but he never won anything...think he made it out of the first round...once? I'm not a Cups be all end all guy but gotta count for something.

Has a couple second team all stars but other then that no...

American born
500+ goals
1000+ points

He's one of a very few American born players with 500 goals.
 
What argument does Marleau have other than the games played record?

He was never one of the league's top forwards either statistically or using the eye test. Disappeared in the playoffs. His numbers aren't impressive considering he played more games than Gordie freakin' Howe.

Marleau has nothing worth noting other than the games record. I really would be bothered if/when he gets in based on this. Peaked at 1.05 PPG in a season. Has a career 0.67 PPG. That's just ugly if we are trying to induct him. Had several years playing with none other than Joe Thornton and couldn't surpass 86 points. If this is your stat line then you ought to be in the running for the Selke. It isn't that he was bad defensively, he just wasn't elite defensively. He was decent, that's about it. And you have to have some playoff success on your resume to make up for it. And like it or not he is a guy who often mailed it in with the Sharks in the playoffs. It is not like he is Marcel Dionne where he is on garbage teams and you know he can't win the Cup, he was on good teams most of his career and never helped them when they needed to go far. Where is his trademark playoff run? You can't find one.

Also, I've got him 14th, with a couple of 18th and 19th places in points as his best showing in a season. Good gravy, exactly when is a forward with a mediocre (at best) playoff record who never surpassed 86 points in a season ever considered for the Hall of Fame with that sort of resume?

he’s rob blake with no cup or norris

but man, rob blake without hardware would be reaaaaally tempting to leave out wouldn’t he?

He sure would. I think you have to look at both of them and figure that they both belong. The ironic thing is Blake won a Norris in 1998 many thought Lidstrom deserved while Weber lost a Norris in 2011 against Lidstrom that many felt he deserved. Not to mention you can argue he deserved the one in 2012 against Karlsson too. I think his playoff record really hurts him though. A forward can get away with that sort of thing better than a goalie or a defenseman. But that being said he did make the Cup final in 2021. And I think if a guy is the face of the Nashville Predators you can't hold it against him. Someone has to be that guy. Not his fault they aren't a great franchise. He certainly did his part.
 
I certainly don't condone Marleau in the Hall but he did have sixteen (16) GWGs in the playoffs through his career (97/98-20/21), only behind Chris Drury who had seventeen (very impressive for a player of his stature and career length I have to say). Not sure about Marleau "mailing it in" in light of that.

 
American born
500+ goals
1000+ points

He's one of a very few American born players with 500 goals.

True, but Roenick isn't in yet and he produced at a slightly higher level than Tkachuk (though Keith a better goal scorer) while being much better in the playoffs
 
Roenick also has a mouth on him, so I'm not so sure his exclusion isn't at least part political.

Does he really though? Sure he can be silly and a jokester but has he said that much? Most I can think of is telling fans to kiss his ass comments during the lockout=\

He's not exactly Theo Fleury
 
Going from the OP's list:

Mogilny -- For me, he's borderline, but he'll definitely get in.
Datsyuk -- Of course.
Marleau -- No.
Gonchar -- Borderline, but for me, no.
Meghan Duggan -- No idea.
Jennifer Botterill -- No idea.
Brind'Amour -- Borderline, but probably 'yes'.
Miller -- Who is this?
Keith Tkachuk -- Probably should be in. But I'm happy enough without him.
Kovalchuk -- In.
Zetterberg -- Of course.
Cujo -- This is a tough one. The standard for goalies is too high, and in that sense he should be in. His Vezina finishes are 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, which is really good, if not transcendent. His best save percentage seasons he finished 1, 3, 6, 6, 7. It seems to me he was usually very good in the playoffs, but his GSAA's there are not great and he never won the Cup, going to the third round twice. So, I dunno.
Weber -- Yes, I think so.
 
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No 2005 lock-out and Messier/Francis has a good shot of breaking it, Messier could still have if he wanted too, maybe Francis does it as well, Thornton got quite close, Chara was less than 100 games away and started to play late.

Jagr needed just 35 games and he spent time in the KHL.

It was not considered almost impossible, I do not think, Howe played in a 50-70 games league, was injured, spent time in a different league, etc... he could have set an impossible record would he have stayed in the nhl (but who knows what happen with the wrist injuries without the retirement)

"Has a good shot of breaking it" =/= break it.

Sorry dude. Marleau did it and none of those you say did it before him and will never do it.

The end.
 
"Has a good shot of breaking it" =/= break it.

Sorry dude. Marleau did it and none of those you say did it before him and will never do it.

The end.
This was written over 2 years ago, but is still, for the most part, true:

The GP record is a little fascinating to think about. It's a record that probably ten other players in history could have attained, if they had just wanted to.

- Mark Messier could have come back after the lockout. He had scored 43 points (2nd on his team) and was a plus player on a bad team. I realize that describing him like that is flattering to his actual level of play, but he was an NHL caliber player who chose to end his career at the lockout given he would have turned 45 during 05-06. Someone would have employed him, even if it ended like Brett Hull or Dave Andreychuk, he'd have gotten the games in.
- Jaromir Jagr could have just as easily decided not to go to the KHL for three seasons, and it would have only taken him till the end of his age 42 season to break the record. Remember that in his age 43 season he was a 66-point player (55 ESP!)
- Ron Francis would have only needed a team to employ him for one post-lockout season at age 42. He was in the same boat as Messier, he only had to want to come back one more time as a shell of himself to break the record, but he didn't want to.
- Joe Thornton could, in theory, pass Howe himself. He would have to complete this season (very likely), play most/all of next season (unlikely) and then have another team employ him for a few games despite being useless (it worked for Marleau). I realize this may be out of Joe's hands, though.
- Mark Recchi in his 40s was best suited to be a team's 6th best forward. He went out on top following a cup finals performance for the ages. But what if Boston had lost game 7? Can you imagine him coming back for another season? And another partial one before breaking down for good? Sure, it's possible. If not Boston, he could have been plenty of teams' 6th-best forward.
- Ray Bourque ABSOLUTELY could have broken the record if he had only wanted to. He left the game a champion like Recchi, which made it a logical endpoint, but unlike Recchi, was still one of the best defensemen in the world at 39. two full seasons could have done it. Not only could he have done it, but he may have still been a #1 defenseman by the end of the second season, with a few optional decline years left to go. Who knows how many games he could have piled up if he had Chelios' love for the game, or Marleau's thirst for a record?
- Larry Murphy: same boat as Bourque. He was just a #4 defenseman by the end of his last season, but still very much an NHL player who could have caught on for two more full seasons without much problem. He was no worse than the versions of Paul Coffey and Phil Housley that hung on as long as they could.
- Zdeno Chara has proven by moving to Washington, that he will play as long as someone wants him. He has been a very capable #5 defenseman on a very affordable contract. He can and will get another contract. Will he get two? That's all it would take.
- Nicklas Lidstrom would have had to play three more seasons to get the record. But, does anyone doubt he could have? he was still racking up 23+ minutes a game in his age 41 season and for a 102 point team. Would ages 42-44 have been pretty? probably not, but at the right price any team would take a chance on him.

The difference between these guys and Marleau, is that they didn't want to chase the record even though they could have, while he wanted to chase the record even though he wasn't good enough to. He shouldn't have a job in the NHL right now, but for sentimentality, record-chasing, and because he can't really make a bad team any worse, here he is. It's a perfect storm - the Sharks are the only team that would put him on the ice right now, and he's lucky they are bad. A contending Sharks team would not employ him.
 
"Has a good shot of breaking it" =/= break it.

Sorry dude. Marleau did it and none of those you say did it before him and will never do it.

The end.
Well that was not the subject, I was responding to the considered almost impossible to break it before Marleau did it statement, which was clear by the quote choice.

Messier retired with only 11 games behind Howe record, making it obvious that it was a possible to break record.

Has for the sorry dude, do you think I have some form of emotional attachment about Marleau being the one breaking it instead of the others ?
 
As an original Marleau fan (i have receipts), i loathed his career games run... omg... extend and emphasize the length of time without success. I knew his move to Toronto was suspect, but there was some hope. Coaching sucked and he wasn't used on special teams.

At least T.O. gave us this moment:
 
"Has a good shot of breaking it" =/= break it.

Sorry dude. Marleau did it and none of those you say did it before him and will never do it.

The end.
Sorry dude, but most games played is really not a big deal. Most sports have basically unknowns and not HoFers in their top 10 or 20 list of most games played. His stats for playing close to 1800 games are not that good, most certainly not HoF good.
 
Sorry dude, but most games played is really not a big deal. Most sports have basically unknowns and not HoFers in their top 10 or 20 list of most games played. His stats for playing close to 1800 games are not that good, most certainly not HoF good.
I wouldn't go that far.

Pete Rose is first by a considerable amount in baseball. The highest non-HoFer is 13th place Omar Vizguel (obviously withstanding Bonds and Rose).

In basketball, Parish is first by 51 games. You have to get down to Willis at 9th for a non HoFer.

Yankee football is a bit different.

But amongst basketball/baseball/hockey, Marleau sticks out like a sore thumb for games played.
 
Most sports have basically unknowns and not HoFers in their top 10 or 20 list of most games played.
That seem unlikely, it will be disproportionally HOFamer no ?
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[TD]1611[/TD]
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[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*[/TD]
[TD]1560[/TD]
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[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Vince Carter[/TD]
[TD]1541[/TD]
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[TD]Dirk Nowitzki*[/TD]
[TD]1522[/TD]
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[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]John Stockton*[/TD]
[TD]1504[/TD]
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[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Karl Malone*[/TD]
[TD]1476[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Kevin Garnett*[/TD]
[TD]1462[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]Moses Malone*[/TD]
[TD]1455[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]LeBron James[/TD]
[TD]1436[/TD]
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[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Kevin Willis[/TD]
[TD]1424[/TD]
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[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Pete Rose (24)[/TD]
[TD]3562[/TD]
[TD]15890[/TD]
[TD]B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Carl Yastrzemski+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3308[/TD]
[TD]13992[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Henry Aaron+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3298[/TD]
[TD]13941[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Rickey Henderson+ (25)[/TD]
[TD]3081[/TD]
[TD]13346[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]Albert Pujols (22)[/TD]
[TD]3080[/TD]
[TD]13041[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Ty Cobb+ (24)[/TD]
[TD]3034[/TD]
[TD]13103[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Eddie Murray+ (21)[/TD]
[TD]3026[/TD]
[TD]12817[/TD]
[TD]B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Stan Musial+ (22)[/TD]
[TD]3026[/TD]
[TD]12721[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]Willie Mays+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3005[/TD]
[TD]12545[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Cal Ripken Jr.+ (21)[/TD]
[TD]3001[/TD]
[TD]12883[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
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[TH]Player[/TH]
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[TH]Years[/TH]
[TH]Tm[/TH]
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[TH]1[/TH]
[TD]Morten Andersen+[/TD]
[TD]382[/TD]
[TD]1982-2007[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]2[/TH]
[TD]Adam Vinatieri[/TD]
[TD]365[/TD]
[TD]1996-2019[/TD]
[TD]2TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]3[/TH]
[TD]Gary Anderson[/TD]
[TD]353[/TD]
[TD]1982-2004[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]4[/TH]
[TD]Jeff Feagles[/TD]
[TD]352[/TD]
[TD]1988-2009[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]5[/TH]
[TD]George Blanda+[/TD]
[TD]340[/TD]
[TD]1949-1975[/TD]
[TD]4TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]6[/TH]
[TD]Tom Brady[/TD]
[TD]335[/TD]
[TD]2000-2022[/TD]
[TD]2TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]7[/TH]
[TD]Jason Hanson[/TD]
[TD]327[/TD]
[TD]1992-2012[/TD]
[TD]det[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]8[/TH]
[TD]Phil Dawson[/TD]
[TD]305[/TD]
[TD]1999-2018[/TD]
[TD]3TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]9[/TH]
[TD]Jerry Rice+[/TD]
[TD]303[/TD]
[TD]1985-2004[/TD]
[TD]3TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]10[/TH]
[TD]John Carney[/TD]
[TD]302[/TD]
[TD]1988-2010[/TD]
[TD]7TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH][/TH]

[TD]Brett Favre+[/TD]
[TD]302[/TD]
[TD]1991-2010[/TD]
[TD]4TM[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TH]Player[/TH]
[TH]Years[/TH]
[TH]GP[/TH]
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[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Patrick Marleau[/TD]
[TD]1997-21[/TD]
[TD]1779[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Gordie Howe*[/TD]
[TD]1946-80[/TD]
[TD]1767[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Mark Messier*[/TD]
[TD]1979-04[/TD]
[TD]1756[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Jaromír Jágr[/TD]
[TD]1990-18[/TD]
[TD]1733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]Ron Francis*[/TD]
[TD]1981-04[/TD]
[TD]1731[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Joe Thornton[/TD]
[TD]1997-22[/TD]
[TD]1714[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Zdeno Chára[/TD]
[TD]1997-22[/TD]
[TD]1680[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]Mark Recchi*[/TD]
[TD]1988-11[/TD]
[TD]1652[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]Chris Chelios*[/TD]
[TD]1983-10[/TD]
[TD]1651[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Dave Andreychuk*[/TD]
[TD]1982-06[/TD]
[TD]1639[/TD]
[/TR]
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You would often need to start to play young (which will tend to be only the best) and still good enough to play old (again usually only the best being still good enough to play in a competitive league), would be rare for a non special player to start before turning 20 and be good enough to still play past 40.

English premier league has Neville, Lampard, if a recognize soccer names they must be legends. Same for la Liga
 
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I wouldn't go that far.

Pete Rose is first by a considerable amount in baseball. The highest non-HoFer is 13th place Omar Vizguel (obviously withstanding Bonds and Rose).

In basketball, Parish is first by 51 games. You have to get down to Willis at 9th for a non HoFer.

Yankee football is a bit different.

But amongst basketball/baseball/hockey, Marleau sticks out like a sore thumb for games played.
It’s just football, we don’t need to qualify because a bunch of Brits decided to be the only English first speaking language country to change the name because of xenophobia in the early 80s. Don’t buy into their silly shenanigans.





You do have to go down to top 20 for most of the sports but sorry most games played as your only qualifier for the HoF is still nonsense. He’s just barely over 1/2 point a game for a career. I can’t think of a forward from the modern era with stats as bad as Marleau and in the Hall.
 
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That seem unlikely, it will be disproportionally HOFamer no ?
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[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Robert Parish*[/TD]
[TD]1611[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*[/TD]
[TD]1560[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Vince Carter[/TD]
[TD]1541[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Dirk Nowitzki*[/TD]
[TD]1522[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]John Stockton*[/TD]
[TD]1504[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Karl Malone*[/TD]
[TD]1476[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Kevin Garnett*[/TD]
[TD]1462[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]Moses Malone*[/TD]
[TD]1455[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]LeBron James[/TD]
[TD]1436[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Kevin Willis[/TD]
[TD]1424[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Player (yrs, age)[/TH]
[TH]Games Played[/TH]
[TH]PA[/TH]
[TH]Bats[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Pete Rose (24)[/TD]
[TD]3562[/TD]
[TD]15890[/TD]
[TD]B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Carl Yastrzemski+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3308[/TD]
[TD]13992[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Henry Aaron+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3298[/TD]
[TD]13941[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Rickey Henderson+ (25)[/TD]
[TD]3081[/TD]
[TD]13346[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]Albert Pujols (22)[/TD]
[TD]3080[/TD]
[TD]13041[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Ty Cobb+ (24)[/TD]
[TD]3034[/TD]
[TD]13103[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Eddie Murray+ (21)[/TD]
[TD]3026[/TD]
[TD]12817[/TD]
[TD]B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]Stan Musial+ (22)[/TD]
[TD]3026[/TD]
[TD]12721[/TD]
[TD]L[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]Willie Mays+ (23)[/TD]
[TD]3005[/TD]
[TD]12545[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Cal Ripken Jr.+ (21)[/TD]
[TD]3001[/TD]
[TD]12883[/TD]
[TD]R[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Player[/TH]
[TH]G[/TH]
[TH]Years[/TH]
[TH]Tm[/TH]
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[TH]1[/TH]
[TD]Morten Andersen+[/TD]
[TD]382[/TD]
[TD]1982-2007[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]2[/TH]
[TD]Adam Vinatieri[/TD]
[TD]365[/TD]
[TD]1996-2019[/TD]
[TD]2TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]3[/TH]
[TD]Gary Anderson[/TD]
[TD]353[/TD]
[TD]1982-2004[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]4[/TH]
[TD]Jeff Feagles[/TD]
[TD]352[/TD]
[TD]1988-2009[/TD]
[TD]5TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]5[/TH]
[TD]George Blanda+[/TD]
[TD]340[/TD]
[TD]1949-1975[/TD]
[TD]4TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]6[/TH]
[TD]Tom Brady[/TD]
[TD]335[/TD]
[TD]2000-2022[/TD]
[TD]2TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]7[/TH]
[TD]Jason Hanson[/TD]
[TD]327[/TD]
[TD]1992-2012[/TD]
[TD]det[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]8[/TH]
[TD]Phil Dawson[/TD]
[TD]305[/TD]
[TD]1999-2018[/TD]
[TD]3TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]9[/TH]
[TD]Jerry Rice+[/TD]
[TD]303[/TD]
[TD]1985-2004[/TD]
[TD]3TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]10[/TH]
[TD]John Carney[/TD]
[TD]302[/TD]
[TD]1988-2010[/TD]
[TD]7TM[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH][/TH]

[TD]Brett Favre+[/TD]
[TD]302[/TD]
[TD]1991-2010[/TD]
[TD]4TM[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TR]
[TH]Rank[/TH]
[TH]Player[/TH]
[TH]Years[/TH]
[TH]GP[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Patrick Marleau[/TD]
[TD]1997-21[/TD]
[TD]1779[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Gordie Howe*[/TD]
[TD]1946-80[/TD]
[TD]1767[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Mark Messier*[/TD]
[TD]1979-04[/TD]
[TD]1756[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Jaromír Jágr[/TD]
[TD]1990-18[/TD]
[TD]1733[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]Ron Francis*[/TD]
[TD]1981-04[/TD]
[TD]1731[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Joe Thornton[/TD]
[TD]1997-22[/TD]
[TD]1714[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Zdeno Chára[/TD]
[TD]1997-22[/TD]
[TD]1680[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]Mark Recchi*[/TD]
[TD]1988-11[/TD]
[TD]1652[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]Chris Chelios*[/TD]
[TD]1983-10[/TD]
[TD]1651[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Dave Andreychuk*[/TD]
[TD]1982-06[/TD]
[TD]1639[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You would often need to start to play young (which will tend to be only the best) and still good enough to play old (again usually only the best being still good enough to play in a competitive league), would be rare for a non special player to start before turning 20 and be good enough to still play past 40.

English premier league has Neville, Lampard, if a recognize soccer names they must be legends. Same for la Liga

One of these things is not like the other...

Every player (except Feagles, Hanson and Willis) was elite and spent years as the best player at their position, won MVPs, scoring titles, championships, etc.

You know, all the marks of greatness that Marleau doesn't have.

Showing up isn't a HOF accomplishment, hence why Feagles, Willis and Harris need to buy a ticket to get in
 
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There's really no other way to cut it other than Marleau had a historically unusual back 5 of his career.

You have to go down to Shane Doan at 17th in games played before you find a non HoF player.

Either he gets in because of the record or he has by far the most games of anyone outside.

There's really no historical precedence for a mediocre player hanging on the last few years chasing a record.
 

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