SKS
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Del Zotto for me. I was really really hoping he would turn into a stud under AV. I still have high hopes for him, but chances he will ever be a stud, let alone a NYR stud, seems rather slim now 
Who is the biggest disappointment?
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Chicken or the egg - it's also difficult to score 20 goals when your #1C playmaker doesn't provide enough assists.
Nash is a much different player this year. Stepan is lesser, but not much different overall then last year.
His points are also not that far off. Where as Nash looks like a complete disaster out there, outside of a great 11 game stretch.
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A good top line center (or even 2nd line center) will open up space for his wingers and distribute the puck. Stepan has done that in very small spurts this season and not nearly consistently enough which has absolutely had an effect on Nash's production.
Since the MSL deal has proven we're all in, I'm 100% for going after Stastny and gluing him to Nash and Kreider for this very reason. I think that line could do a lot of damage and give us the center depth we've lacked for a long time.
Kreider-Stastny-Nash
Hagelin-Stepan-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA
That's an extremely competent top 9. Probably top 5 in the league if everyone performs up to their capabilities. The only question is how much are we going to have to overpay for Stastny. Considering the only asset we'd be giving up is money, I have no problem giving him $7.5 x 7 or something similar. At the end of the day it's not like it's THAT much more money over what we'd be paying Richards
Brass for me..when we got him he was flat out amazing...I thought he could easily be a 1/2 center but he's inconsistent... but on the positive side... poo has been amazing for us I was very surprised
pld459666
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I don't care about the number under goals totals
If he had a 40 or better under the Assists toals right now, I'd have no issues with the kid.
pld459666
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don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Nash as he has been MIA more often than I would like.
That said, Nash is scoring at a clip that would put him at 33 goals over an 82 game season.
His assist totals are down which makes him appear to be having a worse season than he is actually having.
21 in 53 games equates to a .415 scoring ratio
We have 12 games remaining
that's about 5 more goals for a total of 26 goals in 65 games
Over an 82 game stretch, that's 33 goals.
Unless he goes beat mode like he did in Late January where he scored 7 goalsi in 5 games.
Nash is having a typical Nash season as it pertains to goal scoring.
Assist totals are down.
That is attributable to Stepan having a very poor start to the season and both carrying the rookie for stretches of the season.
I'm not completely disappointed in Nash.
That said, Nash is scoring at a clip that would put him at 33 goals over an 82 game season.
His assist totals are down which makes him appear to be having a worse season than he is actually having.
21 in 53 games equates to a .415 scoring ratio
We have 12 games remaining
that's about 5 more goals for a total of 26 goals in 65 games
Over an 82 game stretch, that's 33 goals.
Unless he goes beat mode like he did in Late January where he scored 7 goalsi in 5 games.
Nash is having a typical Nash season as it pertains to goal scoring.
Assist totals are down.
That is attributable to Stepan having a very poor start to the season and both carrying the rookie for stretches of the season.
I'm not completely disappointed in Nash.
He plays against the other teams 1st line most nights. Is a + player and is leading the team in scoring as a 23 year old making 3 Million a year... Oh yeah and this a playoff team right now....Talk about inflated expectations. Insane...
Chimpradamus
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Brad Richards, without a doubt. While Nash is not visible on the scoreboard, at least he's trying to drive to the net. Considering the expectations on him, of course I'm disappointed he's had a weak season.
But Richards? He's more likely to create chances for the other team, might be the slowest skater on the team, rarely throws an impressive pass... he's just a $7m paperweight out there on most nights. He looks alot more like a bad player having an occasional good stint, than a good player having bad stints. Been like that since he arrived here. Richards has a good wrister, but he finds room for it about as often as Anisimov did, for three times the salary.
It doesn't matter if our center depth will be abysmal, it's still abysmal with Richards. When Nash is bad, he has been invisible. When Richards is bad, he's visible, because he plays such horrible hockey. And no, his abundance of secondary assists are not that impressive.
Expectation wise, I say Nash, but performance wise, Richards without a doubt.
But Richards? He's more likely to create chances for the other team, might be the slowest skater on the team, rarely throws an impressive pass... he's just a $7m paperweight out there on most nights. He looks alot more like a bad player having an occasional good stint, than a good player having bad stints. Been like that since he arrived here. Richards has a good wrister, but he finds room for it about as often as Anisimov did, for three times the salary.
It doesn't matter if our center depth will be abysmal, it's still abysmal with Richards. When Nash is bad, he has been invisible. When Richards is bad, he's visible, because he plays such horrible hockey. And no, his abundance of secondary assists are not that impressive.
Expectation wise, I say Nash, but performance wise, Richards without a doubt.
Rangers ftw
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The question is about expectations, not performance per dollar. I expected more out of Stepan not because his paycheck, simply because I think he is a great player with huge talent. It's not about hating players, it's the opposite.
Kaapodonna
What me worry?
My vote is on Hank. I know our d game has been sloppy for the most part this year but, Hank just isn't making many Hank type saves this year. I can think of only a couple games that Hank won us on his back. In years past It was half or whole seasons he put the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
How so? I see a ton of blue at every home game and even on the road. If the goodwill of a fanbase could equal Cups this team would be a perennial winner.
Stepan is 23 yrs old and his first season under a new coach. Same can't be said about the vets with high salaries. He's been average, but I don't start this conversation with his name, that's just wrong.
Agreed to a point... I think the style of his pla, defensive awareness first, and that hes not a burner with speed people will never love him for what he is.
Hes a solid reliable 2 way center who will put up 50-60 points every year and might have a couple 60-70 point seasons. And at 3 million a year hes an absolute bargain. If you expect him to be a point per game guy your expecting to much... and I dont think we want him to be. hes arb eligible after next year and he will be worth 7.5 a year if he produces how you want him too and hes not a 7.5 million dollar player. I will pay him 5 for the next 6 years and be happy as can be.
What does it tell you that after one of the recent losses, he said that "to be successful, I need to play more inside. I know that".
Wow. Really? How big are you? And you just figured that out all by yourself? $7.8 for that answer
Because after a huge win last night, people are discussing who is a disappointment?
Also Stepan is having a good season, on pace for mid 50 points. Anything over 40 points is above average production.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
Because one game a season do not make
And pointing to stats tells me less about Stepan than what my eyes have told me.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize there was a designated time that was more appropriate for discussing this season's let downs.
Lock er up.
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Has to be Richards. All the talk about his dedication to training and coming back with a vengeance had me hopeful we'd have to at least consider not buying him out. I didn't expect 80 points, I was looking more at 60, but regardless, his points are not the most disappointing thing about him, in fact they might be his most impressive statistics. That at this point in the season, I'd rather see Dom Moore on the second line than Richards is beyond pathetic. Though on that note Dom Moore has been one of my favorite players this year, so it's not so much a knock against him...
Also, reluctantly have to mention Step. Might have been all my unreasonable expectations, but until coming back from the olympics I was really worried about him. Still believe he's going to come back next year with a breakout year, but I was definitely counting on him playing as well as last year.
Also, reluctantly have to mention Step. Might have been all my unreasonable expectations, but until coming back from the olympics I was really worried about him. Still believe he's going to come back next year with a breakout year, but I was definitely counting on him playing as well as last year.
NYR Viper
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It's Richards for me. I was hoping he could help carry this offense this season even though he is slowing down. On pace for ~52 points over 82 games is not good production for 6.7 million. It baffles me that people want to see him stay over the next 6 years.
Samuel Culper III
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I don't know how it can be Richards when we all knew he was shot last year and knew going into this season that he'd literally need an Art Ross season to not be bought out. Then he comes and produces more than I expected him to, while still being a waste of money, no doubt, but the only way Richards is disappointing is if you weren't paying attention prior to this year.
Stepan is young and his production is still solid this year. He looks crummy on the ice but a small step back at 23 isn't the end of the world and I wasn't really expecting him to be a 70+ player just because of last season. He's a 2C that can play 1C, but I never thought he'd transition into a legit 1C so it's hard to be disappointed in him.
Callahan was definitely a disappointment as he didn't play like his heart was in it and then demanded he be paid like it was. Since being traded, he looks reinvigorated in Tampa, which only makes it more disappointing.
Nash is simply an overpaid floater. He's always an overpaid floater but it actually shows when he doesn't produce anywhere near warranting his cap hit.
Stepan is young and his production is still solid this year. He looks crummy on the ice but a small step back at 23 isn't the end of the world and I wasn't really expecting him to be a 70+ player just because of last season. He's a 2C that can play 1C, but I never thought he'd transition into a legit 1C so it's hard to be disappointed in him.
Callahan was definitely a disappointment as he didn't play like his heart was in it and then demanded he be paid like it was. Since being traded, he looks reinvigorated in Tampa, which only makes it more disappointing.
Nash is simply an overpaid floater. He's always an overpaid floater but it actually shows when he doesn't produce anywhere near warranting his cap hit.
I honestly don't understand how someone can think it's Richards. I thought he was completely done last year. The only reason his point total looked ok last year was the luckiest month of compiling points in the history of NHL. This season he's actually been useful. Last year he was awful.
Lets look at Cally this season... Had off season shoulder surgery, missed pre-season, and did not have a proper training camp. Had two more injuries to deal with on top of that. He gets back from his second injury only to be taken off the PP for around 20 games, who prior to being injured was the Rangers top PP goal scorer over the last 3 seasons.
Add the trade bait rumors, where he was on the top of the list, and the contract talks, and so physically and mentally he was worn down this season.
He has 29 points in 50 games (Not counting the Nashville game where he played only one or two shifts) So in reality he has around the same PPG average as Brassard, Nash, and Kreider, and a much better one than Hagelin and Pouliot.
As per the Tampa thing, when you don't have trade rumors in your head, you can play with a clear head and focus on the ice. Also AV did not utilize him very effectively in offensive situations. I hope it continues his success, and I'm sure a lot of people want to see him succeed, but not at the Rangers expense. He has deserved a second chance to be on a team with fans that support him. Tampa fans have welcomed him with open arms. If He re-signs will Tampa he won't be captain but he'll wear an "A" no doubt.
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