Who has the better Cup window? Panthers or Leafs

[Bizz]

Toronto barely has a "2nd Round" window.

 

[T REX]

I do not acknowledge their cups. None of them. No asterisks - that involves acknowledgment.

One can easily EXTRAPOLATE you feel the same about Tampa.

You wanted to be bombastic? Goal achieved.

To discount any Cup for any reason is considered trolling on these boards.

Your verbose response is beautifully worded non-sense.

I will not let you or anyone else CHEAPEN these accomplishments.

Rules are rules and we all play by the same ones. Florida or Tampa has ZERO control over these rules.

Do you agree with that point? DO you think they are purposefully circumventing the cap or playing by the rules in place? If you say they are circumventing the cap please provide actual proof of such a slanderous claim?

Your outrage(whether correct or not)is aimed at the wrong people.

 

[Ghetty Green]

The Leafs "window" been shut since July 1, 2018

 

[John Pedro]

Leafs bc they can sign guys like Tavares that grew up cheering for them. Unfair advantage.

 

[ColbyChaos]

The team that doesn’t have to deal with Matthews and his contract shenanigans every 4 years lol

 

[Do Make Say Think]

They'll get rid of Tavares only to sign another insane and awful contract on the same day.

 

[Stephen]

There’s something kind of sad about winning a Stanley Cup and then looking to prove a point against the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Like you won a Stanley Cup and you spend time thinking about the Leafs?!

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If the Leafs resign Marner this summer then I say they do as Marner is a clutch playoff performer.

 

[The Panther]

The Leafs beat the Panthers where it counts...
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Hey! There's a lot of respect there.

How do you know it's spring in Toronto? The Leafs are out.

What do you call 20+ Maple Leaf players at the Stanley Cup Finals? Spectators.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

speaking of cup windows, I remember I was at my uncle's house in Pittsburgh once and asked him how the penguins were doing. He said "if the 10 best hockey players in the world were playing in my front yard right now, I'd close the blinds"

 

[Fishy McScales]

“If a team sucks, people don’t want to go there.”
It’s about more than simply the tax rates. There are a lot of factors taken into consideration by the players.

It’s a lazy answer.

Of course it's about more than that. That doesn't mean it's not an advantage. It obviously is.

Other teams may have different advantages, such as the Leafs or Habs printing money in a hotbed, but to say the tax thing has no bearing on e.g. Florida's ability to build a competitive team is putting your head in the sand.

 

[mattihp]

For winning the cup? Panthers. Leafs will have a better roster, but something is rotten when they can't ever go past two playoff series. Be it the locker room or Management

 

[Ratsreign]

Of course it's about more than that. That doesn't mean it's not an advantage. It obviously is.

Other teams may have different advantages, such as the Leafs or Habs printing money in a hotbed, but to say the tax thing has no bearing on e.g. Florida's ability to build a competitive team is putting your head in the sand.

The ones with their head in the sand are those who write it off simply due to the tax advantage.
Of course there are other factors involved, that was my whole point.
It’s up to other teams to turn those “different advantages” you mentioned to their benefit.

 

[Fishy McScales]

The ones with their head in the sand are those who write it off simply due to the tax advantage.
Of course there are other factors involved, that was my whole point.
It’s up to other teams to turn those “different advantages” you mentioned to their benefit.

Indeed. However, the league has revenue sharing in place to compensate for some teams being in better markets, plus there is a salary cap to significantly reduce the advantage.

The tax advantage has no such checks and balances which makes it a more significant advantage that is also outside teams' control. They can strive to increase revenue or make their location more desirable, but they can't adjust their state tax. Some teams effectively operate under a different salary cap than others.

Therefore it is not a "lazy argument", but rather a very valid one even if it isn't the only one.

 

[Ratsreign]

Indeed. However, the league has revenue sharing in place to compensate for some teams being in better markets, plus there is a salary cap to significantly reduce the advantage.

The tax advantage has no such checks and balances which makes it a more significant advantage that is also outside teams' control. They can strive to increase revenue or make their location more desirable, but they can't adjust their state tax. Some teams effectively operate under a different salary cap than others.

Therefore it is not a "lazy argument", but rather a very valid one even if it isn't the only one.

It’s a lazy argument by those who attempt to sum it all up by simply saying, “taxes”.
And there are many who do so.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Leafs will have a better roster

Nah. The core 4 is a fraud and Florida's got better defense and goaltending.

 

[Fishy McScales]

It’s a lazy argument by those who attempt to sum it all up by simply saying, “taxes”.
And there are many who do so.

On that we agree. Full marks to the Panthers on the job they did turning a bad situation into a great one.

I just see people get awfully defensive about it even though it is an indisputable advantage.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Leafs are like Arthur Spooner…

Maybe they will discover the window in a few years?

 

[Blowfish]

I get Florida won but I'm asking who has the better window going forward...
This isn't a what has happened thread, it's a future based thread.

History is not on your side Sunny Stick.

 

[Blowfish]

The Panthers are by the beach and have suitable weather so them. The only cup window the Leafs have is the Tim Hortons drive thru.

Tim’s coming to Florida.

 

[Evilhomer]

I get Florida won but I'm asking who has the better window going forward...
This isn't a what has happened thread, it's a future based thread.

Going forward it unquestionably is the Leafs, only because Florida will simply cap and age-out of its window, as happens with any great team. This isn't a slight against Florida or even a compliment to the Leafs. It's simply the nature of two teams at different stages.

Florida has a better cap situation

I don't think this is the case.

 

[KnightofBoston]

You have to win a cup for the window to be open. I’d give them an honorable mention if they at least made it to the final, but the panthers did that and then some.

I would say the panthers have a 3-5 year window as that’s average before your team gets shaken up enough that it’s hard to keep it going.

Toronto doesn’t have diddly, for all we know their window will never open again

 

[Czechboy]

Panthers have won 8 of their last 10 play off series.
Leafs have won 1 of their last 8 play off series.
I like the Panthers group and core better.
I Like the Panthers goaltendibg better.
I like their play off track record better. Although getting the Panthers back up goalie has improved the leafs between the pipes.
Barkov, Tkachuk, Reinhardt, Bennet, Verheague, Ekblad , Bob .....all look like they will be around for awhile. Their window for a second cup looks much better.

I swear I misread the post.. I read this:

Who is more likely to win a Cup.. the team that just won a cup and was in the finals the year before or the team that can't get past round 2. And I like the Leafs roster and how they're built but why are we comparing them to a team that has been to the finals 2 in a row and still has a strong roster?

 

[Czechboy]

Going forward it unquestionably is the Leafs

What is in the Leafs pipe that will make them a stronger team in the next 4 to 5 years than they were the last 4-5 years? I thought the leafs have had very strong rosters for several seasons now. What is changing to make them cup finalists or champions?

 

[miscs75]

Tim’s coming to Florida.

Fine, the one who doesn’t try to name the knock off Marshalls after something the local hockey team is not, winners.