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Prospect Info: Who does LA pick #2? Part 2 To Byfield or to Stutzle? That is the question

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My only irk with Stuetzle is he doesn't like to shoot. He can handle the puck, pass and skate at an exceptional level, but not only is it the quality of his shot but his low number of shot attempts that makes me question those who compare him to Patrick Kane.

Kane's career shooting percentage in the NHL is a remarkable 12.1%, he's been a five-time 30+ goal scorer and twice scored 100+ points, and he's been a terror offensively since juniors. If Stuetzle was anything like Kane, he'd be the #1 pick on Tuesday.

Of course we'd all still be excited to add a talented forward like Stuetzle because that's the player we were praying would drop to the Kings at #4 had they remained in that spot, but as Yannetti alluded to in a recent interview, he might still need time to work on his game as well. I'd hope improving on his shot and increasing his shot volume is something he focuses on in the upcoming season, wherever he plays.
 
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New Athletic article up today on Stutzle...

“I have a lot of friends who are L.A. Kings fans,” he said. “A great, great team. And I think Anze Kopitar is one of the biggest players there. They have a great prospect pool. Winning the Stanley Cup, especially in overtime and (Alec Martinez) scoring the game-winning goal, I think that was very nice. They had an unbelievable season that year.”

'My goal is top 3': A conversation with Tim Stutzle ahead of the NHL Draft
 
Did you guys know the Chicago Blackhawks played a DEL team in their last preseason game? All their stars played too except Lenher and Crawford split time. Final score was 3-1 hawks(empty net goal for 3)could have been 6-2, but Berlin's goalie played lights out
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Seems like today is "pump Stuetzle's tires" day.
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Man, if he was in the Liiga/SHL (Stutzle's team lost and beat an SHL team and he had a highlight reel assist) that would actually be the debate. Too much scout unfamiliarity with a non traditional hockey country. I'm certain the Kings are pumped they took a kid from the SEL over any player but crosby in 05.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
My only irk with Stuetzle is he doesn't like to shoot. He can handle the puck, pass and skate at an exceptional level, but not only is it the quality of his shot but his low number of shot attempts that makes me question those who compare him to Patrick Kane.

Kane's career shooting percentage in the NHL is a remarkable 12.1%, he's been a five-time 30+ goal scorer and twice scored 100+ points, and he's been a terror offensively since juniors. If Stuetzle was anything like Kane, he'd be the #1 pick on Tuesday.

Of course we'd all still be excited to add a talented forward like Stuetzle because that's the player we were praying would drop to the Kings at #4 had they remained in that spot, but as Yannetti alluded to in a recent interview, he might still need time to work on his game as well. I'd hope improving on his shot and increasing his shot volume is something he focuses on in the upcoming season, wherever he plays.
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Stützle had 41 goals in 46 games in two years of the German DNL, with 8 goals in 10 playoff games. He is a special offensive talent.

He lit up his contemporaries, but tended to defer when playing his first year in a league that's average age was 7 or so years of man strength older than him.

The talk of Stützle's shot being poor has as many caveats as the criticisms of Byfield's work ethic. Both might just be massive overstatements of relatively minor concerns.
 
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bland said:
Stützle had 41 goals in 46 games in two years of the German DNL, with 8 goals in 10 playoff games. He is a special offensive talent.

He lit up his contemporaries, but tended to defer when playing in a league that's average age was 7 or so years of man strength older than him.

The talk of Stützle's shot being poor has as many caveats as the criticisms of Byfield's work ethic. Both might just be massive overstatements of relatively minor concerns.
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You also have to look at how he barely took any shots on goal at the WJC, and he was pretty much the go to guy on offense for Germany.

I don't know about the quality of competition in the DNL either, but no doubt his numbers pop out at that level more so than against higher competition.

Elite Prospects - DNL U20 Stats 2018-2019
Elite Prospects - DNL Stats 2017-2018

Granted, as a rookie, you may have a point in him wanting to defer to his older linemates, but I'd like to see more examples of him taking charge in leading attacks and being a scoring threat. Which is oddly something that some people have criticized Byfield for doing too much of. Goes to show you how bizarre some hockey takes are on these forums.
 
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At least we are hearing the right things from Yanetti/Blake about the importance of picking BPA and for the long-term....not a short-term view and current needs. They learned that lesson previously. So as long as they are true to those views and concepts, then whomever they pick is good by me. It's when you stray from that, is when you have problems.
If they do go the Stutzle route, i hope the kid has grown a bit.....i'd feel better about him if he were a true 6'0 (+) rather than 5'10 ish. I haven't seen a recent valid/confirmed height measurement on the kid.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Jared Staal? Umm... you might want to take a look at Jared Staal's numbers in the OHL because that's way off base.

You're probably thinking of Jordan Staal, and even he wasn't as big of a point producer in juniors as Byfield is.
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Nope. Hypothetically he could bust and be Jared Staal. There is zero guarantee his floor is Jordan Staal. Just like there is zero guarantee Stutzle doesn't end up like Daigle.
 
Reaper45 said:
Nope. Hypothetically he could bust and be Jared Staal. There is zero guarantee his floor is Jordan Staal. Just like there is zero guarantee Stutzle doesn't end up like Daigle.
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But Jared Staal was a late second round pick who played a whole two games in the NHL. You really think that's a floor for a guy who's been talked about as being a potential top two pick? That's a big stretch. When was the last time a prospect who went top three ended up playing two games or less?

I guess you could also say Alex Turcotte's floor is that of... Dany Roussin?
 
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Byfield is a Kopitar replacement with hints of Malkin. If Kopitar were years younger, I would pick Stuzle but that's not the case.
Stuzle could be Patrick Kane but he also could be Sonny Milano.
There isn't a bad pick here which is the most positive thing about being in this situation.
 
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legitarita19 said:
Byfield is a Kopitar replacement with hints of Malkin. If Kopitar were years younger, I would pick Stuzle but that's not the case.
Stuzle could be Patrick Kane but he also could be Sonny Milano.
There isn't a bad pick here which is the most positive thing about being in this situation.
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I grew up playing against Milano, their games are quite different. For one Stutzle attempts to hit people(he was only 175 lbs last season playing against 30 year olds so you can imagine how effective the hits looked). Next Milanos hands and edges were nasty, but he never had the senses/thought the game to Stutzle's level. Milano was also way more of liability on defense and he could never fly like stutzle. I'd say Jeremy Bracco is a closer floor, but still wildly unfair. I'd realistically(as realistic as I can because his floor won't matter kid is the real deal) say his floor is Jordan Eberle(was really tempted to say Nolan Patrick because their games are similar). I'd say Byfields floor is significantly less of a contribution(I don't think he will hit his floor so it doesn't actually matter), realistically I'd guess.... really just a general 3rd line center. I think Byfields Ceiling is closer to Eric Staal than Malkin. I think Stutzle's ceiling is Stutzle because the kid is gonna create his own brand of elite.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
But Jared Staal was a late second round pick who played a whole two games in the NHL. You really think that's a floor for a guy who's been talked about as being a potential top two pick? That's a big stretch. When was the last time a prospect who went top three ended up playing two games or less?

I guess you could also say Alex Turcotte's floor is that of... Dany Roussin?
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Worst case scenario yes.
 
Schrute farms beets said:
At least we are hearing the right things from Yanetti/Blake about the importance of picking BPA and for the long-term....not a short-term view and current needs. They learned that lesson previously. So as long as they are true to those views and concepts, then whomever they pick is good by me. It's when you stray from that, is when you have problems.
If they do go the Stutzle route, i hope the kid has grown a bit.....i'd feel better about him if he were a true 6'0 (+) rather than 5'10 ish. I haven't seen a recent valid/confirmed height measurement on the kid.
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He was on a podcast this summer and said he was measured just under 6'1 and 195lbs supposedly his lbs have gone up since that podcast too
 
bland said:
Stützle had 41 goals in 46 games in two years of the German DNL, with 8 goals in 10 playoff games. He is a special offensive talent.

He lit up his contemporaries, but tended to defer when playing his first year in a league that's average age was 7 or so years of man strength older than him.

The talk of Stützle's shot being poor has as many caveats as the criticisms of Byfield's work ethic. Both might just be massive overstatements of relatively minor concerns.
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No it doesn't. Stutzle's shot has miles of footage of it being a concern. The criticisms of Byfield's work ethic are evidence-less abstractions. And he's with Gary Roberts as we speak, so...

It may be an overstatement but the only levels he was a regular goal-scorer at were German juniors. Hell even at the WJC he had 0 goals and went PPG and there his shot was clearly a problem.

I think it can be worked on but if no one respects his shot, the rest of his game is also less effective as a result.
 
TruKingFan said:
The hype begins.
I'd be sorely disappointed if they pick Stuetzle. Blake better be ready to die on that hill.
But life goes on.
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It doesn't matter who Blake picks at #2 overall. If the player picked isn't eventually a first line contributor on the Kings, Blake will be fired.
 
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MrGuyPerson said:
I grew up playing against Milano, their games are quite different. For one Stutzle attempts to hit people(he was only 175 lbs last season playing against 30 year olds so you can imagine how effective the hits looked). Next Milanos hands and edges were nasty, but he never had the senses/thought the game to Stutzle's level. Milano was also way more of liability on defense and he could never fly like stutzle. I'd say Jeremy Bracco is a closer floor, but still wildly unfair. I'd realistically(as realistic as I can because his floor won't matter kid is the real deal) say his floor is Jordan Eberle(was really tempted to say Nolan Patrick because their games are similar). I'd say Byfields floor is significantly less of a contribution(I don't think he will hit his floor so it doesn't actually matter), realistically I'd guess.... really just a general 3rd line center. I think Byfields Ceiling is closer to Eric Staal than Malkin. I think Stutzle's ceiling is Stutzle because the kid is gonna create his own brand of elite.
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Completely fair. I think he is much close to Pat Kane or someone like even a lefty version of Marner. He's slick for sure. If Eberle is his floor, that's a great floor. Same with Byfield. If Eric Staal is a floor that's pretty damn good.
 
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either or..im good...these know way more than we do, if comes to Stutzle...i'm good with it, it's their job, i'm just happy will be one of the two...if not that's where i'll freak out
 
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