Who do we overvalue the most?

[BRUINS since 1995]

Glad you find it comical....hail to the great elite player ...Bergeron
Can't touch this. ..no way ..
But hey if the great mr.Webster says wtv it is he said. ...must be true

Once again...Mark Messier ..Sergei Fedorov you guys know them of course not. .. then maybe just maybe you would know what Elite is.

Didn't respond to your post. I really don't care if you beleive Bergeron or Chara are overvalued players. I didn't either comment on this... post and deception, hate and whatever feelings people have toward the players and the opinion they have on if they overvalue player is just not really relavant and usely full of sh... comments..main boards is full of similar post on Toews for years now.. But reading your posts and the following one's in response to yours with the final one I respond to make me laugh. It was and is funny. Still is...

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Meant mclean ... not webster surely you were capable of figuring out that was an error. ...maybe not

No I did not. and i honestly don't understand your post for the exception you dislike Bergeron, for which I careless!,,

 

[Marcobruin]

Wooo now..I never said I hate berg
And I said Chara is 40 so it is unreasonable to expect him to play like ole or rather young Chara.
I dont hate Berg .I do resent that no matter how bad he plays he always gets a Pass.
Ex..berg is having a bad year
Well he must be injured
How about ..he sucks this year
And leave it at that.
And if he is injured which is nothing then a lousy excuse. ..... then Sit and heal

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Wooo now..I never said I hate berg
And I said Chara is 40 so it is unreasonable to expect him to play like ole or rather young Chara.
I dont hate Berg .I do resent that no matter how bad he plays he always gets a Pass.
Ex..berg is having a bad year
Well he must be injured
How about ..he sucks this year
And leave it at that.
And if he is injured which is nothing then a lousy excuse. ..... then Sit and heal

Ok then. Take a beer my friend ..

 

[Jonathan17]

Average NHl defenseman is just under 6'2" and is 205 lbs.

Totally won that argument by less than an inch and how much a guy could sweat off during a game...

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

First let me say ....of course age has much to do with it.if one expects the same out of 40yr old compared to a 26; yr old. . Maybe sports longetivity and the dimishing of the body is a medical fact..so yes very telling
Back to Berg ...I understand ppl love to love him and no one wants him to be touched.
Berg before Staal (the huge part of why the Canes have a cup) canes would laugh at that.
Webster??? The hall of fame r???
tsn "analyst"
Berg elite talent. .. how and where
He's a complimentary player not a difference maker? ??
Olympics Spengler? ?? I'm talking Nhl..
Yea many gms would like him on their team but none would pay big
Bucks as the Elite players get. .
Elite two way players
Mark messier
Sergei fedorov

who did you say expects the same out of a 40 year old as a 26 year old? remember the topic is overrated... not age difference. so you need to show that the majority of people expect the same out of a 40 year old before your statement has any point at all

now as for your ramblings on Bergeron... whether you might say staal is a better player or not... whether you might get agreement from Carolina fans... really has nothing at all to do with whether Bergeron is overrated. bruin fans will tell you hes one of the top 3 shutdown guys going in the nhl... his hardware will back it up... bruin fans will say he gets tabbed for the Olympic teams... the proof backs it up... hes a 30 goal scorer... the proof backs it up... we believe hes headed to the hall of fame... and one day the proof will be there one way or the other.

again the thread is about overrating a player... show me who is overrating Bergeron? your comparisons to messier and federov are ridiculous. you made those comparisons. perhaps you overrate Bergeron if you feel hes comparable to those players. and if you don't... then why bring them up? no one else did

try to remember the argument being made if you want to contribute.. this tread is about which player do bruin fans overrate/overvalue the most.

Bergeron has been involved in 2 trips to the finals in the nhl where he matched up against the other teams top line and shut them down. that's value... and we appreciate it

 

[ap3lovr]

who did you say expects the same out of a 40 year old as a 26 year old? remember the topic is overrated... not age difference. so you need to show that the majority of people expect the same out of a 40 year old before your statement has any point at all

now as for your ramblings on Bergeron... whether you might say staal is a better player or not... whether you might get agreement from Carolina fans... really has nothing at all to do with whether Bergeron is overrated. bruin fans will tell you hes one of the top 3 shutdown guys going in the nhl... his hardware will back it up... bruin fans will say he gets tabbed for the Olympic teams... the proof backs it up... hes a 30 goal scorer... the proof backs it up... we believe hes headed to the hall of fame... and one day the proof will be there one way or the other.

again the thread is about overrating a player... show me who is overrating Bergeron? your comparisons to messier and federov are ridiculous. you made those comparisons. perhaps you overrate Bergeron if you feel hes comparable to those players. and if you don't... then why bring them up? no one else did

try to remember the argument being made if you want to contribute.. this tread is about which player do bruin fans overrate/overvalue the most.

Bergeron has been involved in 2 trips to the finals in the nhl where he matched up against the other teams top line and shut them down. that's value... and we appreciate it

Him and Chara should go to the hall of fame simply for their domination of Crosby and Malkin in that 4 game sweep.

 

[Marcobruin]

who did you say expects the same out of a 40 year old as a 26 year old? remember the topic is overrated... not age difference. so you need to show that the majority of people expect the same out of a 40 year old before your statement has any point at all

now as for your ramblings on Bergeron... whether you might say staal is a better player or not... whether you might get agreement from Carolina fans... really has nothing at all to do with whether Bergeron is overrated. bruin fans will tell you hes one of the top 3 shutdown guys going in the nhl... his hardware will back it up... bruin fans will say he gets tabbed for the Olympic teams... the proof backs it up... hes a 30 goal scorer... the proof backs it up... we believe hes headed to the hall of fame... and one day the proof will be there one way or the other.

again the thread is about overrating a player... show me who is overrating Bergeron? your comparisons to messier and federov are ridiculous. you made those comparisons. perhaps you overrate Bergeron if you feel hes comparable to those players. and if you don't... then why bring them up? no one else did

try to remember the argument being made if you want to contribute.. this tread is about which player do bruin fans overrate/overvalue the most.

Bergeron has been involved in 2 trips to the finals in the nhl where he matched up against the other teams top line and shut them down. that's value... and we appreciate it

You said in ur other post Age makes no difference. ....
Makes lots of difference when considering value

Berg has averaged 23g/yr ....not because he scored 30 ..3x declares him a 30g scorer

How is me praising Messier/fedorov ridiculous???

I don't use a player's acumen /skillset by his presence or absence in the olympics..

I already gave this ex and ill say it again.
Berg has been mia in many games this season. .. I've watched him live
This season. ..have you? ??
He sucks this year yet fans say "he must be injured" always continuous attempt at sugar coating
If he's hurt don't play. ..he's not hurt
Btw. My argument was that although he is a very good two way player .... he is not elite...
Where do you rank him in your top forward list in the Nhl
Top ten, twenty.... where?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

You said in ur other post Age makes no difference. ....
Makes lots of difference when considering value

Berg has averaged 23g/yr ....not because he scored 30 ..3x declares him a 30g scorer

How is me praising Messier/fedorov ridiculous???

I don't use a player's acumen /skillset by his presence or absence in the olympics..

I already gave this ex and ill say it again.
Berg has been mia in many games this season. .. I've watched him live
This season. ..have you? ??
He sucks this year yet fans say "he must be injured" always continuous attempt at sugar coating
If he's hurt don't play. ..he's not hurt
Btw. My argument was that although he is a very good two way player .... he is not elite...
Where do you rank him in your top forward list in the Nhl
Top ten, twenty.... where?

You said he's 40 so he's not as good as when he's 28... I said that has nothing to do with being overvalued... no one thinks he's 28... we all know he Is 40

Saying bergeron isn't hurt is idiotic... so is going against convention when you personally want to change the definition of a 30 goal scorer. Seriously trying to be the lone voice of contrary and expecting your own definition to superceed excepted term makes anything else you might say seam baseless after such nonsense. We know you are arguing an agenda and trying desperately to build a case but neely was a 50 goal guy... gretzky was a 90 goal guy... hull was an 80 goal guy... that's how this works

As far as playing hurt goes... he's still a 20 min guy even hurt... still the best face off guy in the league... still an elite checker... still a 40 point guy. If playing makes him not heal, he wouldn't play... but 100s of players every year play through injuries that don't aggregate from playing. Remember bergeron played through a punctured lung before. If this guy can play and help he will. Your failure to grasp this probably goes along way towards your inability to understand his value.

Top 20 to top 40 is where experts rank him whenever experts make such a list

I can't even comment on your messier federov rant, other than to say Brent burns is no Bobby orr so people saying he's having a great season are idiots too (hopefully you see what I did there and can figure out the rest for yourself)

 

[Pia8988]

The walking boot was a fake and all NHL teams are nothing but 100% honest when it comes to injuries.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

I feel that Marchand is undervalued in comparison to Bergeron. Bergeron is unmatched at getting the puck moving in the right direction and establishing zone time, but Marchand helps Bergy just as much statistically by virtue of his dynamicism?, elite individual skill to finish off plays, and make-something-out-of-nothing ability.

 

[Marcobruin]

I feel that Marchand is undervalued in comparison to Bergeron. Bergeron is unmatched at getting the puck moving in the right direction and establishing zone time, but Marchand helps Bergy just as much statistically by virtue of his dynamicism?, elite individual skill to finish off plays, and make-something-out-of-nothing ability.

Totally agree on your take on Marchand

 

[PlayMakers]

I feel that Marchand is undervalued in comparison to Bergeron. Bergeron is unmatched at getting the puck moving in the right direction and establishing zone time, but Marchand helps Bergy just as much statistically by virtue of his dynamicism?, elite individual skill to finish off plays, and make-something-out-of-nothing ability.

+10.

Most underrated player on this board and in this league.

 

[ashnathan]

Krug.

 

[Marcobruin]

And btw....when did berg play with punctured lung ...... during playoffs
If one is hurt during reg season they want to make sure they're healthy come playoffs which may not be any dilemma this season for our beloved bruins
And thanks for educating me. ...
I along with my own personal definitions never qualified .scott bjugstsd as a 40 goal scorer...geez that guy was a true sniper.

 

[ashnathan]

And btw....when did berg play with punctured lung ...... during playoffs
If one is hurt during reg season they want to make sure they're healthy come playoffs which may not be any dilemma this season for our beloved bruins
And thanks for educating me. ...
I along with my own personal definitions never qualified .scott bjugstsd as a 40 goal scorer...geez that guy was a true sniper.

2013 against the Blackhawks.

 

[DKH]

Prospect we didn't draft

A bakers dozen of us sitting around the Italian American Club discussing you don't hear the Bruins fans talking much about Barzal and Connor any more as both have lost some of their luster

Hamilton as a Bruin took the cherry pie

They all have one thing in common

 

[catsmasher]

Rene Rancourt

 

[Duguay]

I'd definitely say a certain segment of posters here over rate themselves. But I suspect every fan base would have a similar group of 'fans' that offer their own team such a shoddy conditional level of support

Sez the man who would write 5 page, 1,500 word essays everytime he would post here. People who want to write, be heard, talk, rant, stand up, make a difference probably ought to over rate themselves a little bit. It's what makes us interesting Michael. Don't you think?

 

[Marcobruin]

2013 against the Blackhawks.

I know...I was asking the question to the poster since he played hurt
In the playoffs..not in reg season unless it a reg season deciding game (s). Reg season you need to rest and heal the injury especially if it is hampering your play for too many games

 

[Fonzerelli]

When I speak to people outside of this board and Bruins fans I get a 'meh' response

The most overvalued thing on this board is the opinion of people outside of this board

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

The most overvalued thing on this board is the opinion of people outside of this board

I'd been tempted to say the opinions on this board. But I'd reigned it in until now

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

Krug.

You're wrong. Congratulations!

 

[finchster]

Marcobruin, is English your first language?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Our entire C depth is overrated. Not saying they're bad. But more than once I've heard the B's have the best C depth in the league and they don't. Off the top of my head, Anaheim, TB, LA, St Louis, Pittsburgh just as good or better. Another 5 or so are right there or there's no huge difference.

Not a problem in and of itself...but when a particular aspect of the team such as this is one of the few things fans hang their hats on...yet the truth is it's not as good as they think...it highlights overall issues with the team/organization.

For whatever reason, Bruins fans are incredibly resistant to reevaluating players over time. How long did we hear we had the "best fourth line in the league" well after the fourth line was at all effective? How about Chara being the "best shutdown Dman in the league" as touted by some fans just last season? And yes, "best center depth in the league". There's some sort of emotional attachment to concepts and players within the Bruins (it runs deep with fans and management, alike) and it skews things in a ridiculously biased fashion.

There's also an assertion that we are totally ****ed if we get rid of Claude because he obviously holds everything together...

I'm just not sure where the endless unwillingness to look at things, both positive and negative, with a level head comes from. I haven't seen it with any other fanbase to nearly the same degree I have with the Bruins, both in New England and outside of it.