Who do we overvalue the most?

[finchster]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

Did you not read the hordes of fans who thought David Backes yelling at guys was going to be the tipping point for the Bruins?

 

[BergyWho37]

I want to say the whole 2nd line, it's terrible without the puck

 

[JEM28]

Our entire C depth is overrated. Not saying they're bad. But more than once I've heard the B's have the best C depth in the league and they don't. Off the top of my head, Anaheim, TB, LA, St Louis, Pittsburgh just as good or better. Another 5 or so are right there or there's no huge difference.

Not a problem in and of itself...but when a particular aspect of the team such as this is one of the few things fans hang their hats on...yet the truth is it's not as good as they think...it highlights overall issues with the team/organization.

 

[ODAAT]

Our entire C depth is overrated. Not saying they're bad. But more than once I've heard the B's have the best C depth in the league and they don't. Off the top of my head, Anaheim, TB, LA, St Louis, Pittsburgh just as good or better. Another 5 or so are right there or there's no huge difference.

Not a problem in and of itself...but when a particular aspect of the team such as this is one of the few things fans hang their hats on...yet the truth is it's not as good as they think...it highlights overall issues with the team/organization.

Bergy- 21

DK- 30

Nash- 8

Moore- 13

There`s our depth up the middle point total

Your right, not what I would call solid depth nor production

 

[Ryan77]

just curious where you would rate rask in the top 30 of NHL starting goalies. Not trying to troll but disagree with you and curious where you rank him

Very high, probably in the 15-20 range to be honest. There's others I'd take over him in a heartbeat. My issue with Rask has always been.

1) his contract- think this team can use that money, shore up the defence/offence and win with a 3-4.5 million goalie, at least I would rather take that chance. Last years final was Martin Jones vs Matt Murray.

has won nothing on a team basis and the year he won the Vezina the team/defense was outstanding. Went into the playoffs and was outplayed by Carey Price. Bruins were an outstanding that year just needed a save like Montreal seem to get time and time and time again.

2) when the game matters he is never good.

3) don't like his attitude at all. The way he acts in the net, looks at his defence.

last year when this team needed him most he was non existent all year. They make the playoffs last year if he was not so bad.

I won't get on the guy for what happened in game 82 last year as that's out of his control... but it kinda goes in correlation with when we need him he's not there.

The other reason I want him traded as I think he is one of the few Bruins who can fetch a really good return and maybe shed a bad contract in the trade. May give this team some money to add around. (This is all hypothetical of course providing he would even waive)

 

[BMC]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

Not I. I said they weren't going anywhere with that defense and they aren't. *Sigh*

 

[LouJersey]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

I thought 95-100 points playing in this terrible division. 3rd seed in division or 8-9 seed out of it. They are worse than I expected.

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

Draft picks, not even actual picked players, just the picks themselves.

 

[Gee Wally]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

They are right where I thought theyd be. Without any substantial adds I has no reason to believe their results would be any different.

So position doesnt upset me.

How they are doing things, the FO, is royally ticking me off.

 

[Ratty]

What's most overvalued are the tickets, which for the mediocre return, amounts to robbery with permission.
Next are the concessions: $11.00 for a Bud or diet beers, $12.00 for a Sam Adams or "Craft" beer, $9.00 for a hot dog. Colossal rip off. But the arena is full and fans are waiting in line beverages and gourmet delights.

 

[Brucentric*]

Not even close Krug

Carlo is 4 goals 6 assists 10 points for the season. regular strength, 0 PP points...No PP time.

Krug is 2 goals 12 assists 14 points for the season regular strength 2G 11A 13 ppp.

Carlo has these numbers in less then half the amount of shots of Krug. Thats pretty telling as to how over rated Krug is offensively here as well.

Carlo is Even/ Krug is minus 10...If not for PP time...Carlo looks to be as good as Krug is offensively. 2 more goals actually at even strength and a few less assists...Maybe better with some confidence.

Krug is at the bottom of the league in shooting percentage 2.9% And thats just the shots recorded. How many he takes and misses the net all together is another story which is why we are getting no goals from his shots....The defenses just pack down on our guys down low and are simply letting him shoot. He is a hell of a passer though, i give a guy credit when he deserves it.

 

[DaStinger]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

Not I, had them pegged for 13th in the conference in the season prediction thread. On track so far but I wish we could fall down to that #1-2 pick spot.

 

[VanIsle]

Claude
Chara
Krejci

 

[Ryan77]

They are right where I thought theyd be. Without any substantial adds I has no reason to believe their results would be any different.

So position doesnt upset me.

How they are doing things, the FO, is royally ticking me off.

I am with you as this team is where I thought they would be. That being said the gap is very small. IMO the Bruins, along with many other teams in the east are one good trade away from contending again. This team needs a jolt whether it be a trade, coaching change, GM change.

Look at Pitt last year, around this time they were looking out and got hot at the right time, made a good move in changing the coach, and most importantly got contributions from everyone including a lot of guys who everyone was like who the hell is this goaltender included.

 

[Saxon Eric]

Claude is overvalued on here???? Um, nope

To many on here, Um, yes

 

[Braunbaer]

Seconded. Guy is grossly overrated by fans here because of a couple of playoff series.

/thread

 

[Dr Quincy]

Seconded. Guy is grossly overrated by fans here because of a couple of playoff series.

Player A .78 pts per game in the playoffs
Player B .93 pts per game in the playoffs
Player C .83 pts per game in the playoffs



Guesses as to who is who?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I'd definitely say a certain segment of posters here over rate themselves. But I suspect every fan base would have a similar group of 'fans' that offer their own team such a shoddy conditional level of support

Thankfully I can answer a post like this that almost no player or coach is overrated because of how negative this group of fans is

But that's not to say we don't have players occupying spots that aren't good enough... and others who have been under performing

Honestly though i don't care about how players are rated by fan opinion because fan opinion about rating has nothing to do about nothing.

Honestly Wayne gretzky was the most overrated guy I've ever seen the last half of his career... he was still a good player that would be in the top 10 scoring... still 2nd or 3rd in assists... but people continued to say gretzky was the best player in the nhl

Despite the fact he was never a strong defensive player... never physical at all... couldn't score goals anyymore... and wasn't even thebest playmaker

Overrated and underrated are simply terms that judge the judger. Gretzky was still a very good player even when he was overrated.

I'm sure Jimmy hayes is actually underrated now. He is an nhl player after all who has a 19 goal season. But he still isn't good enough to help us the way he's playing now.

Fans won't want to hear this... but 9 times out of 10 if you hate a player it means he's underrated. And if you like a player it usually means he's overrated

Marchand... carlo... pastrnak... these are the leading candidates to fall into the overrated category not due to any fault of their own but strictly based on how fans aren't qualified to impartially judge their heros

 

[ChargersRookie]

The system, Bergeron was defending Claude last week in the paper by saying that the system has worked for his tenure as a Bruin. Someone tell Bergeron and Claude that it is time for it to be upgraded. It gets stagnat and most of the time it's the off season that makes most forget it.
I still see the offense stationary in the offensive zone too often and they run into each other. The lose against Chicago I credit team complacency or belief in the system for it. The Bruins were waiting for the shoot out, they lack urgency too often.

Claude is signed for how long? In the past posters have said that Jacobs won't paid 2 coaches. Well we know how Claude is able to stay. I like him but he can't change anything in that system of his.
Capuano is free, is he a good assistant coach?

 

[remer]

1. Claude
2. Krejci
3. Chara

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Anyone not named Bergeron - Marchand

See I disagree (and maybe missed a joke if their is one). We really can't overvalue many of our guys because we constantly talk about how bad they are. Hayes and company are taken to the woodshed on here all the time. We certainly don't overvalue them. I think we know 1/3 of the roster is pure trash (by nhl standards).

 

[Braunbaer]

Player A .78 pts per game in the playoffs
Player B .93 pts per game in the playoffs
Player C .83 pts per game in the playoffs



Guesses as to who is who?

It's not all about the playoffs though. I get why people prefer the playoff-producer over the regular season-producer ... I get easily hyped myself if a player delivers in the so-called "important" games.

But what if you never reach the playoffs?
Did Krejci show up the last 2 years in the regular season when the playoffs where on the line?
Didn't he more or less say "I don't care about the regular season" once?

 

[BsEuphoria]

Top 3
Zdeno Chara
David Krejci
Claude Julien

 

[BsEuphoria]

I'd definitely say a certain segment of posters here over rate themselves. But I suspect every fan base would have a similar group of 'fans' that offer their own team such a shoddy conditional level of support

Thankfully I can answer a post like this that almost no player or coach is overrated because of how negative this group of fans is

But that's not to say we don't have players occupying spots that aren't good enough... and others who have been under performing

Honestly though i don't care about how players are rated by fan opinion because fan opinion about rating has nothing to do about nothing.

Honestly Wayne gretzky was the most overrated guy I've ever seen the last half of his career... he was still a good player that would be in the top 10 scoring... still 2nd or 3rd in assists... but people continued to say gretzky was the best player in the nhl

Despite the fact he was never a strong defensive player... never physical at all... couldn't score goals anyymore... and wasn't even thebest playmaker

Overrated and underrated are simply terms that judge the judger. Gretzky was still a very good player even when he was overrated.

I'm sure Jimmy hayes is actually underrated now. He is an nhl player after all who has a 19 goal season. But he still isn't good enough to help us the way he's playing now.

Fans won't want to hear this... but 9 times out of 10 if you hate a player it means he's underrated. And if you like a player it usually means he's overrated

Marchand... carlo... pastrnak... these are the leading candidates to fall into the overrated category not due to any fault of their own but strictly based on how fans aren't qualified to impartially judge their heros

I almost always read your posts, but you are the master of needing a TLR at the end

 

[mislysBB]

This isn't meant to be flip, it's a serious question.

A lot of people expected a good team this year? Really?

I didn't. I actually expected them to be much worse than they are.

Unfortunately, the FO and JJ thinks otherwise, and that's the real problem.


As far as overvalued players? Krejci.