ranking defensemen by defensive ability is a foreign thing hereWhat metrics is everyone using to rank defensemen? 10 best in terms of what? Points? Defensive ability? Points for as opposed to points against (+\-)??
People’s lists seem random.
ranking defensemen by defensive ability is a foreign thing hereWhat metrics is everyone using to rank defensemen? 10 best in terms of what? Points? Defensive ability? Points for as opposed to points against (+\-)??
People’s lists seem random.
You can say that again. Lists are missing Slavin, for example, but it’s nice to see Forsling getting respect.ranking defensemen by defensive ability is a foreign thing here
Offense?You can say that again. Lists are missing Slavin, for example, but it’s nice to see Forsling getting respect.
Just not clear in what they’re looking for in a top 10 defenseman.
So, then you’re making listing of the top offensive defenders? Slavin is an elite defender, but people have included Forsling and he had 39 points but the best +\-. Question should apparently be, “who’s the top 10 Norris candidates.Offense?
Slavin is a very good player but his career high is 42 points. You have to be great on both ends to be in the top 10.
I mean that's like saying Langway wasnt a top 10 dman in the 80sOffense?
Slavin is a very good player but his career high is 42 points. You have to be great on both ends to be in the top 10.
He's not Langway defensively. That's ridiculous.I mean that's like saying Langway wasnt a top 10 dman in the 80s
Slavin is very much a top ten dman in the league
It's pretty simple, really.So, then you’re making listing of the top offensive defenders? Slavin is an elite defender, but people have included Forsling and he had 39 points but the best +\-. Question should apparently be, “who’s the top 10 Norris candidates.
I would agree with that, but it seems many around here are focused only on offense.Offense?
Slavin is a very good player but his career high is 42 points. You have to be great on both ends to be in the top 10.
Slavin with out a doubt a #1 dmanHe's not Langway defensively. That's ridiculous.
It's pretty simple, really.
To be in the top 10, you can't be bad on either end of the ice. That's why nobody is including Karlsson.
Slavin is just straight-up bad at offense. His production, playing 22 minutes a game, is terrible.
I'm open to Forsling being in the top 10 because he's had Montour ahead of him on the powerplay. He's certainly not bad at offense. Carolina had a huge hole at PPQB this year and wouldn't give the keys to Slavin. That's pretty telling about his offensive ability.
Not having a legit #1 D is the main reason Carolina can't get over the hump.
Slavin has historically had very good 5on5 offensive production. Also, why does it fall to the team's #1 d-man to be the PP QB? Not putting Slavin in that role isn't an indictment of him. They need better offensive players.He's not Langway defensively. That's ridiculous.
It's pretty simple, really.
To be in the top 10, you can't be bad on either end of the ice. That's why nobody is including Karlsson.
Slavin is just straight-up bad at offense. His production, playing 22 minutes a game, is terrible.
I'm open to Forsling being in the top 10 because he's had Montour ahead of him on the powerplay. He's certainly not bad at offense. Carolina had a huge hole at PPQB this year and wouldn't give the keys to Slavin. That's pretty telling about his offensive ability.
Not having a legit #1 D is the main reason Carolina can't get over the hump.
Tbh I'm not seeing that at all.I would agree with that, but it seems many around here are focused only on offense.
Here is the list of defensemen within 5 points (either direction) of Slavin at ES this season.He's not Langway defensively. That's ridiculous.
It's pretty simple, really.
To be in the top 10, you can't be bad on either end of the ice. That's why nobody is including Karlsson.
Slavin is just straight-up bad at offense. His production, playing 22 minutes a game, is terrible.
I'm open to Forsling being in the top 10 because he's had Montour ahead of him on the powerplay. He's certainly not bad at offense. Carolina had a huge hole at PPQB this year and wouldn't give the keys to Slavin. That's pretty telling about his offensive ability.
Not having a legit #1 D is the main reason Carolina can't get over the hump.
Ok, but I think a fair follow up questions is: why does Carolina keep acquiring PPQB's?Here is the list of defensemen within 5 points (either direction) of Slavin at ES this season.
Dahlin, Karlsson, Fox, Rielly, Harley, Hronek, Forsling, Sanheim, Weegar, McAvoy, Heiskanen, Hanifin, Matheson, Faber, Skjei, Carlson, Andersson, Pettersson, DeMelo, Doughty, Dunn.
Playing on the PP or not playing on the PP is the biggest driver in defenseman offensive numbers. And if you're not going to play Burns on the PP (who outproduced Montour on the PP this season) why is he even on your roster?
Because for whatever reason, they prefer specialists in that role. Carolina does a lot of really weird shit.Ok, but I think a fair follow up questions is: why does Carolina keep acquiring PPQB's?
A top 10 defenseman in the world runs their team's powerplay. I guess I have high standards for being top 10. I thought it was like, you know, the 10 best in the world or something.
Then what about MacKenzie Weegar who is just as good defensively and scored 17 even strength goals?Because for whatever reason, they prefer specialists in that role.
I'll take a D that excels at ES and the PK over a D that is ok at ES and excels at the PP all day every day.
Weegar is not close to as good defensively, especially last yearThen what about MacKenzie Weegar who is just as good defensively and scored 17 even strength goals?
I just don't see it with Slavin. Good player, but no way he's in the top 10.
He's just the darling that all the hipsters latched onto like OEL was when I first joined the site.
Weegar had exactly 1 more ES point than Slavin. And he's not even remotely as good defensively.Then what about MacKenzie Weegar who is just as good defensively and scored 17 even strength goals?
I just don't see it with Slavin. Good player, but no way he's in the top 10.
He's just the darling that all the hipsters latched onto like OEL was when I first joined the site.
He had a down year defensively but his standards, but he's been right there every other year.Weegar is not close to as good defensively, especially last year
You wanna be in the top 10, you can't be the 2nd best D on your pairing...And poor Devon Toews who is in like the 100th percentile at even strength, but nobody cares because Cale Makar is on his team.
There's better Slavin's than Slavin.