I remember someone here suggesting that Grachev wasn't riding Hodgson/Duchene's coattails, but that they were riding Grachev's coattails.
All kinds of weird stuff....
They also rarely referenced that he was a giant playing against 16 year olds.
Which Busted/Traded NYR Prospect did you have the highest hopes for?
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All kinds of weird stuff....
They also rarely referenced that he was a giant playing against 16 year olds.
Made Dan
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Agree on both Kloucek and Sanguinetti...
I would also add Cherneski to the "hurt" list...that kid worked his butt off he had a lot of heart to endure what he did
Leslie Treff
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For me, it would be Grachev, who, if he only would have stayed in Brampton another year, might have been much better. Plus he was not the kind of player that the coaching staff in Hartford does well with. I should have seen the train wreck coming and I did not.
I think that a lot of the hype around him was my fault. My apologies folks. I really did see great tools, and I think he could have made it--but he was not ready for pro play in NA when he left the O, and he never could have made a positive impression in Hartford even if he would have stayed another year in the O. He might have done better in another organization. My bad.
BTW, I know he went to STL after, but by then he was never going to make it in NA.
I think that a lot of the hype around him was my fault. My apologies folks. I really did see great tools, and I think he could have made it--but he was not ready for pro play in NA when he left the O, and he never could have made a positive impression in Hartford even if he would have stayed another year in the O. He might have done better in another organization. My bad.
BTW, I know he went to STL after, but by then he was never going to make it in NA.
Pre lockout- Jozef Balej
Post lockout- Grachev (which Sanguinetti a close 2nd...at least in the very beginning...obviously tapered off when we realized he sucks).
Post lockout- Grachev (which Sanguinetti a close 2nd...at least in the very beginning...obviously tapered off when we realized he sucks).
Me too. His first few games I thought he was going to be Brian Leetch light. He was scary good for someone that wasn't put on the patented Ranger over-hype train.
Kane One
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Perhaps it's the fact that this board skews a bit younger, so maybe they won't remember, but Pavel Brendl is easily the biggest bust in franchise history. Alexei Kovalev (more so with other teams) and Brian Leetch played to their ceilings and were certainly draft day hits, but Brendl could have been the first legitimate superstar this franchise has ever drafted in the modern era. He had Ovechkin ability, that's how good he was. A legitimate sniper who scored at will.
He came to his first camp fat and out shape and had a horrible attitude when he was sent down. He tried to rectify it the next year but was still sent down. He was then traded in the Eric Lindros deal, but would never amount to anything in the NHL.
Cherepanov gets the vote for saddest disappointment, for the obvious reason that he passed away much too young. But Brendl was probably the only player the Rangers ever drafted that could have been a true franchise player. Can't blame the team though.
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Bobby Sangs is up there, but I also remember having high hopes for Nigel Dawes...
and then there was Petr Prucha...
and then there was Petr Prucha...
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How is Erixon a bust? He was traded at what, age 20?, for everyone favorite loser Rick Nash. Then he played most of his age 21 season in the bigs before getting buried a bit this year behind a ton of very respectable defensemen in Columbus. It's a bit premature to call a 22 (albeit soon to be 23 (oh no!)) defenseman a bust.
Of these guys, Erixon.
In recent years prior, Jessiman the speciman (delib misp.)
and of course, the one not up there, Tysen Dowzak -- he broke my heart (godfather)...
In recent years prior, Jessiman the speciman (delib misp.)
and of course, the one not up there, Tysen Dowzak -- he broke my heart (godfather)...
Grachev for me. He had such a tantalizing set of tools, but I think jumping to the next level was too much for him. Even though he was dominant in his post-draft year with Brampton, he should have gone back.
Erixon I think can still be an NHL player. Columbus just has too much talent on the blue line to get him in. I'd expect to see him traded this summer, if not sooner.
Erixon I think can still be an NHL player. Columbus just has too much talent on the blue line to get him in. I'd expect to see him traded this summer, if not sooner.
lucky13
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This thread needs more Jamie Lundmark ...... Every year I thought this was the breakout year and it just never happened.....If him and P.Brendll panned out things wouldve been different thats for sure
eco's bones
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I don't see Erixon as a bust. I think he'll be a good NHL'er if he sticks with it. What I saw of him last year he need to toughen up--needed to play more aggressively. Too laid back. I think he's eventually going to be a player though.
Kloucek would have been a monster but he wrecked his knee and he was never the same afterwards. That guy could really hit--Alexei Emelin of Montreal is a comparable.
Sanguinetti had a really fine rookie season in Hartford and then fell off a cliff.
Kloucek would have been a monster but he wrecked his knee and he was never the same afterwards. That guy could really hit--Alexei Emelin of Montreal is a comparable.
Sanguinetti had a really fine rookie season in Hartford and then fell off a cliff.
If McIlrath doesn't magically start developing the way we originally expected then he'll be up there.
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HFsNumber1Heel
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Not counting freak injuries:
Pre Lockout Jozef Balej. I thought he'd be a 20+ goal and 50 point player. He looked great in his stint the end of 2003-04, looked fine in Hartford during the lockout, and then had a quiet camp and was traded soon thereafter. Then he had that kidney injury in Vancouver and went back home. There was a rumor that one young player on the Rangers during 2005-06 Training Camp was talking trash saying how not enough spots were being given to youngsters which was garbage because Prucha, the HMO Line, Betts, Ward, Tyutin, Hossa, Lundmark, Kondratiev, and Henrik all made it out of camp. I still to this day think it was Balej with how fast he was shipped out of town.
Post Lockout It's Jarko Immonen. I just don't see what was wrong with his game. He looked fine to me. I never bought the whole foot speed thing.
Grachev and MDZ were both rushed.
And one thing about Kloucek. It was Ron Low who started his downward spiral. In one of Guy Hebert's first games as a Rangers goalie against the Devils, Kloucek had a sprained knee and was having trouble skating during warmups. They should have yanked him before the game. Then he has the ACL injury that game, was never the same, then the concussions started. By the time he was in Atlanta he was done.
Pre Lockout Jozef Balej. I thought he'd be a 20+ goal and 50 point player. He looked great in his stint the end of 2003-04, looked fine in Hartford during the lockout, and then had a quiet camp and was traded soon thereafter. Then he had that kidney injury in Vancouver and went back home. There was a rumor that one young player on the Rangers during 2005-06 Training Camp was talking trash saying how not enough spots were being given to youngsters which was garbage because Prucha, the HMO Line, Betts, Ward, Tyutin, Hossa, Lundmark, Kondratiev, and Henrik all made it out of camp. I still to this day think it was Balej with how fast he was shipped out of town.
Post Lockout It's Jarko Immonen. I just don't see what was wrong with his game. He looked fine to me. I never bought the whole foot speed thing.
Grachev and MDZ were both rushed.
And one thing about Kloucek. It was Ron Low who started his downward spiral. In one of Guy Hebert's first games as a Rangers goalie against the Devils, Kloucek had a sprained knee and was having trouble skating during warmups. They should have yanked him before the game. Then he has the ACL injury that game, was never the same, then the concussions started. By the time he was in Atlanta he was done.
I loved the talent of Brendl. Hockey was different then, and nobody really looked hard at the person, the work ethic, etc.
It was a case of NYR correctly assessing the talent, but it went off the rails after that.
Jamie Lundmark was like the polar opposite view for me. I always thought that NYR totally over estimated Lundmark's talent. After that, they totally screwed up his development, and lost out on what could have been a good player in the right role.
It was a case of NYR correctly assessing the talent, but it went off the rails after that.
Jamie Lundmark was like the polar opposite view for me. I always thought that NYR totally over estimated Lundmark's talent. After that, they totally screwed up his development, and lost out on what could have been a good player in the right role.
HFsNumber1Heel
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Different regime. No way Gordie and Gordon pick a player like Brendl.
Lundmark's problem was that he wasn't skilled enough to be a top six player, and he wasn't gritty enough or have any specialties like face offs (Betts/Moore) or shot blocking (Ortmeyer, Hollweg) to be a bottom six player. Plus he had that weird torque on his shot where he'd get down on one knee. That wasn't going to cut it in the NHL.
DarthSather99
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Whew, I remember one game against the Devils I believe. He won the game on his own without scoring. The whole Devils team was so PO'd at the devastating hits that they abandoned their game and focused on getting back at Kloucek.
Leslie Treff
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2005 was my first training camp covering the team--its awhile ago, but I remember Balej as being an unhappy guy. Very unusual in the Rangers locker room, except at the end of last season. I do not remember him talking trash about not enough spots for young players though. In all fairness, the Rangers were known at that point for not playing young guys very often. The 2005-06 season really began the new era of giving young guys a chance.
