Which active players will be HHoFers someday?
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He’s a lock imo, every 2x or more winner is in but Keith, who will get in.
He has 3 Norris’s and twice runner up,
Pavel Buchnevich
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I'm not even a huge EK65 fan but this is a really bad take.
I think all 6 of those guys are going to have enough in their resumes when it's all said and done.
MAF has probably the weakest case but Vegas probably gets him in.
Panarin....?
Dude is already 33 years old, and has 804 career points.
Not to mention he hasn't really done much for his resume in the playoffs, 61 points in 73 playoff games.
the only forwards I question is Pasta and Marchand who may finish with the lowest PPG amongst the forwards (other than Barkov who has Selkes)
3 Norrises and (surely) 1000 points gets you into the HOF, no question
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in 687 GP, which puts him 5th in PPG amongst active players, and is currently 13th all-time in assists/game
many have got in the Hall with lower GP (Bossy, Lindros, Bure, Forsberg, Lafontaine, Stastny etc)
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It’s actually funny that some guys like Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin, etc don’t have 100% of votes
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tarheelhockey
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He didn’t even arrive in the NHL till 24. During the time he’s been in the league, he’s 5th in assists (ahead of Crosby).
Unless something bad happens, he’ll easily blow past 1000 and finish closer to 1200 or so despite his very late start. He’s been named the top LW in the league twice and finished 2nd two other times. As low as the bar is, there’s no reason he shouldn’t get in.
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Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
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Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 
Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 
Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 
Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 
Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 
Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
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You sure you want to go down that road?
106 Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
I guess it's settled.. Panarin is better than Modano, Barkov, and Kopitar in the post-season.
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106 Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
Panarin hasn’t even been particularly bad in the playoffs, he just doesn’t have a signature run. He was in the PPG range in 16, 18, 19, 20, 24. His 2022 looks a little weaker than you’d want, but that had a lot to do with facing Jaccob Slavin for 7 games in between going PPG in two other series.
The blemishes on his resume are 2017, when Chicago as a team scored 3 total goals while getting dusted by Nashville, and the 2023 NYR/NJD series. The 2023 series is the real black eye, getting completely shut out after the first period of Game 1 of a seven game series. That’s just ugly. But it was one series. As a whole, his playoff career has been pretty ordinary but without that shining moment.
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Are you sure you want to go down that road? You're the one who brought up playoff PPG. In reality and by your own argument Panarin is better than Modano, Barkov, and Kopitar in playoff PPG. In all my years here I've never seen someone get so completely trashed (by @amnesiac and @tarheelhockey) and then just keep digging the hole deeper. Just stop now while you're behind and enjoy your 30th bday, kid.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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That’s not really true. The point totals might look not that bad, but he’s been one of the best regular season players over the last five years and in the playoffs is nowhere near that. It’s especially true at even strength. It’s a substantial difference. The lack of space is a problem. He doesn’t adapt well to that, and gets snuffed out a lot. He’s actually had some very clutch moments, but on the whole his lack of production is arguably the biggest reason the Rangers haven’t won the Cup. You can’t just turn a potential MVP candidate into an okay second line winger and act like that changes nothing.
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Every single one of those players will be in the hall
Marchand and MAF being the weakest inclusions
Marchand and MAF being the weakest inclusions
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Jeesh, you're taking HF way too serious pal, my apologies for offending you.
Considering how long and how often you post on HF, if that's your definition of "completely trashed" that's quite something.
31% of people that have voted agree with you, I hope that doesn't burn you up too much inside.
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Every player you mentioned should have 100$ vote Who would not think any of these guys don't make the HHOF?
And you can more.
Here are the names of non-slam dunks:
Brad Marchand
Barkov
Rantanen
Panarin
Kaprizov
Pastrnak
Everyone else is 100% a lock. A few are still young (ie Makar), so it's maybe not a "hall of fame if you retire today" scenario, but still, he's obviously making it.
As for the 6 names I listed - the all still have excellent chances to make hall of fame. I just wouldn't say it's 100%.
Kaprizov/Panarin are both hurt by starting late, age ~23-24. This means longevity won't be as strong as others. Also - no individual awards, and playoffs are weak as of now. Flipside is - prime numbers are great so far (still early for Kaprizov).
Pastrnak/Rantanen are pretty comparable. Both pretty strong primes, good point producers. Both decent in playoffs (Rantanen especially strong here). But neither of them is likely to ever win a hart, lindsay, ross. So, a bit of a weaker resume than most players listed here, but it'll probably be enough for hall of fame with good longevity.
Marchand - Really strange career arc. Before age 28, his average per 82 games was 52 points.
Then he has a stretch of 6 seasons where he paces for ~99 points per 82 games.
But he then slows down at age 34, and last 3 years is pacing for ~69 points.
He had a really strong stretch of ~5-6 seasons, but his overall career outside of that is not that strong. I think it's 50/50 he makes it, and he's the player here with the weakest resume for me.
Barkov - There's nothing terribly exciting about his resume. He often gets compared to Toews, Kopitar or Bergeron. Bergeron is the best defensively with 6 selkes and 12 top 3. Toews/Kopitar both have the multiple cups/great playoff record. Barkov doesn't have anything quite as exciting. He's up to 2 selke now, but only 3 top 3 total. No real hart record, only one 6th place finish, and nothing else in the top 10. His playoff record is also much weaker than Toews or Kopitar, even though last year's run was great.
I think Barkov will eventually make it too - but let's see what the next few years look like for him.
After Marchand - I think he's the player with the second weakest resume here.
Brad Marchand
Barkov
Rantanen
Panarin
Kaprizov
Pastrnak
Everyone else is 100% a lock. A few are still young (ie Makar), so it's maybe not a "hall of fame if you retire today" scenario, but still, he's obviously making it.
As for the 6 names I listed - the all still have excellent chances to make hall of fame. I just wouldn't say it's 100%.
Kaprizov/Panarin are both hurt by starting late, age ~23-24. This means longevity won't be as strong as others. Also - no individual awards, and playoffs are weak as of now. Flipside is - prime numbers are great so far (still early for Kaprizov).
Pastrnak/Rantanen are pretty comparable. Both pretty strong primes, good point producers. Both decent in playoffs (Rantanen especially strong here). But neither of them is likely to ever win a hart, lindsay, ross. So, a bit of a weaker resume than most players listed here, but it'll probably be enough for hall of fame with good longevity.
Marchand - Really strange career arc. Before age 28, his average per 82 games was 52 points.
Then he has a stretch of 6 seasons where he paces for ~99 points per 82 games.
But he then slows down at age 34, and last 3 years is pacing for ~69 points.
He had a really strong stretch of ~5-6 seasons, but his overall career outside of that is not that strong. I think it's 50/50 he makes it, and he's the player here with the weakest resume for me.
Barkov - There's nothing terribly exciting about his resume. He often gets compared to Toews, Kopitar or Bergeron. Bergeron is the best defensively with 6 selkes and 12 top 3. Toews/Kopitar both have the multiple cups/great playoff record. Barkov doesn't have anything quite as exciting. He's up to 2 selke now, but only 3 top 3 total. No real hart record, only one 6th place finish, and nothing else in the top 10. His playoff record is also much weaker than Toews or Kopitar, even though last year's run was great.
I think Barkov will eventually make it too - but let's see what the next few years look like for him.
After Marchand - I think he's the player with the second weakest resume here.
