He’s a lock imo, every 2x or more winner is in but Keith, who will get in.The only guy I have question about is Erik Karlsson. Everyone else I think has a good shot.
I'm not even a huge EK65 fan but this is a really bad take.The only guy I have question about is Erik Karlsson. Everyone else I think has a good shot.
I think all 6 of those guys are going to have enough in their resumes when it's all said and done.On my personal list, all aside from MAF, Marchand, Kaprizov, Rantanen, Panarin, and Pastrnak.
Panarin....?I voted for all of them. I’d be surprised if every single one didn’t get into the hall. The only ones that even give me pause are Fleury and Rantanen, but if guys like Carbonneau and Lowe can make it then they’re getting in too.
3 Norrises and (surely) 1000 points gets you into the HOF, no questionThe only guy I have question about is Erik Karlsson. Everyone else I think has a good shot.
in 687 GP, which puts him 5th in PPG amongst active players, and is currently 13th all-time in assists/gamePanarin....?
Dude is already 33 years old, and has 804 career points.
Not to mention he hasn't really done much for his resume in the playoffs, 61 points in 73 playoff games.
Panarin....?
Dude is already 33 years old, and has 804 career points.
Not to mention he hasn't really done much for his resume in the playoffs, 61 points in 73 playoff games.
Panarin....? Dude is already 33 years old, and has 804 career points. Not to mention he hasn't really done much for his resume in the playoffs, 61 points in 73 playoff games.
in 687 GP, which puts him 5th in PPG amongst active players, and is currently 13th all-time in assists/game. many have got in the Hall with lower GP (Bossy, Lindros, Bure, Forsberg, Lafontaine, Stastny etc)
He didn’t even arrive in the NHL till 24. During the time he’s been in the league, he’s 5th in assists (ahead of Crosby). Unless something bad happens, he’ll easily blow past 1000 and finish closer to 1200 or so despite his very late start. He’s been named the top LW in the league twice and finished 2nd two other times. As low as the bar is, there’s no reason he shouldn’t get in.
Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
106 Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
You sure you want to go down that road?
106 Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
106 Artemi Panarin 1991 F 73 21 40 61 34 -18 21:01 17:25 3:34 0:02 15 6 0 7 3 18 21 1 6 2 33 27 1 13 5 44.3% 0.821 1.563 2.384 0.708 0.849 1.557 1.381 4.832 6.212 0.288 0.548 0.836 194 10.8% 43 30 1 5 16.67% 107 Ken Hodge 1944 F 97 34 47 81 130 16 21 12 1 6 1 34 12 1 7 0 55 24 2 13 1 29.6% 0.351 0.485 0.835 237 14.4% 108 Johnny Bucyk 1935 F 124 41 62 103 42 29 25 16 0 3 0 32 30 0 10 0 57 46 0 13 0 44.7% 0.331 0.500 0.831 211 0.0% 109 Aleksander Barkov 1995 F 71 19 40 59 28 -3 22:01 16:19 3:27 2:14 15 3 1 5 0 24 15 1 7 1 39 18 2 12 1 30.5% 0.729 1.534 2.263 0.776 1.242 2.019 0.732 3.660 4.392 0.268 0.563 0.831 216 8.8% 150 58 753 655 53.48% 110 Mike Modano 1970 F 176 58 88 146 128 0 32 24 2 15 2 52 33 3 12 3 84 57 5 27 5 39.0% 0.330 0.500 0.830 507 11.4% 21 16 1447 1332 52.07% 111 Phil Kessel 1987 F 100 34 49 83 24 23 17:09 13:49 3:18 0:01 22 12 0 4 0 25 23 1 8 1 47 35 1 12 1 42.2% 1.189 1.713 2.902 0.955 1.085 2.040 2.180 4.178 6.358 0.340 0.490 0.830 305 11.2% 36 24 2 12 14.29% 112 Tom Lysiak 1953 F 76 25 38 63 49 -2 15 10 0 2 0 29 8 1 8 3 44 18 1 10 3 28.6% 0.329 0.500 0.829 194 12.9% 113 Ryan O'Reilly 1991 F 81 26 41 67 15 0 21:05 16:08 2:53 2:04 16 10 0 5 1 28 10 3 8 3 44 20 3 13 4 29.9% 0.913 1.440 2.352 0.734 1.285 2.019 2.566 2.566 5.132 0.321 0.506 0.827 174 14.9% 50 61 886 798 52.61% 114 Anze Kopitar 1987 F 97 25 55 80 45 15 21:46 16:18 3:28 1:59 17 6 2 5 3 34 20 1 10 4 51 26 3 15 7 32.5% 0.710 1.562 2.273 0.645 1.289 1.934 1.067 3.555 4.622 0.258 0.567 0.825 222 11.3% 211 84 1060 948 52.79% 115 Bryan Trottier 1956 F 221 71 111 182 277 31 49 18 4 12 1 67 40 4 16 2 116 58 8 28 3 31.9% 0.321 0.502 0.824 472 15.0% 116 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1993 F 74 17 44 61 28 -18 20:17 14:14 3:43 2:19 11 6 0 3 0 18 25 1
Is being ahead of those guys in playoff PPG really that horrible? @amnesiac @tarheelhockey
Are you sure you want to go down that road? You're the one who brought up playoff PPG. In reality and by your own argument Panarin is better than Modano, Barkov, and Kopitar in playoff PPG. In all my years here I've never seen someone get so completely trashed (by @amnesiac and @tarheelhockey) and then just keep digging the hole deeper. Just stop now while you're behind and enjoy your 30th bday, kid.You sure you want to go down that road? I guess it's settled. Panarin is better than Modano, Barkov, and Kopitar in the post-season.
Panarin....? Dude is already 33 years old, and has 804 career points. Not to mention he hasn't really done much for his resume in the playoffs, 61 points in 73 playoff games.
That’s not really true. The point totals might look not that bad, but he’s been one of the best regular season players over the last five years and in the playoffs is nowhere near that. It’s especially true at even strength. It’s a substantial difference. The lack of space is a problem. He doesn’t adapt well to that, and gets snuffed out a lot. He’s actually had some very clutch moments, but on the whole his lack of production is arguably the biggest reason the Rangers haven’t won the Cup. You can’t just turn a potential MVP candidate into an okay second line winger and act like that changes nothing.Panarin hasn’t even been particularly bad in the playoffs, he just doesn’t have a signature run. He was in the PPG range in 16, 18, 19, 20, 24. His 2022 looks a little weaker than you’d want, but that had a lot to do with facing Jaccob Slavin for 7 games in between going PPG in two other series.
The blemishes on his resume are 2017, when Chicago as a team scored 3 total goals while getting dusted by Nashville, and the 2023 NYR/NJD series. The 2023 series is the real black eye, getting completely shut out after the first period of Game 1 of a seven game series. That’s just ugly. But it was one series. As a whole, his playoff career has been pretty ordinary but without that shining moment.
Jeesh, you're taking HF way too serious pal, my apologies for offending you.Are you sure you want to go down that road? You're the one who brought up playoff PPG. In reality and by your own argument Panarin is better than Modano, Barkov, and Kopitar in playoff PPG. In all my years here I've never seen someone get so completely trashed (by @amnesiac and @tarheelhockey) and then just keep digging the hole deeper. Just stop now while you're behind and enjoy your 30th bday, kid.