Where would you rate Thatcher Demko among all goalies?

[hockeyisgud]

Easily top 5 on a good team. Canucks are a f***ing tire fire

Exhibit A

 

[jackjohnson]

He's a top five goalie.
Pettersson is a top five center.
Garland is a top five winger.
Hughes is a top five D.
Podkolzin is a top five rookie.

Everyone is the best.

When did anyone say those were top 5? Or are you just making things up again. Demko is not a top 5, and I say this as a Canuck fan but he is definitely top 10 especially with how he played in playoffs. Does he have the potential to be a top 5 goalie, I would say he certainly has if he is making Canucks defense look respectable and still keeping Green behind the bench. Put someone like Halak or Holtby in the net full time and Green would have been fired already.

 

[jackjohnson]

My mistake, I did not realise that GAA tells us the entire story and is the only stat that matters...

Well based on GAA, he is ranked 32nd among the goalies which played 25+ games over the last 2 seasons, so he is somewhere between Thomas Greiss and Cal Petersen.... Amazing

Again, you should throw those stats out the window. He is playing behind a Green coached team that have the worst PK. I counted 15 breakaways in the Nashville game alone where Demko came up big. We have Pylons standing still in PK and letting everything through. Any other goalie short of Hasek in his prime would probably have similar stats to Demko AT BEST but most would probably commit suicide playing behind that defensive system that clowns like Baumgartner has drawn up for the team.

 

[lawrence]

He’s the teams best player right now. Not going to put a ranking haven’t been watching the games, but he’s been bailing the team. The Canuck’s needs work and Peterson being the teams top Center needs to pick things up or else we will find ourselves bottom 3 in our div.

 

[jackjohnson]

Well Campbell has better numbers in every category for the past... Well all time. Toronto may be slightly better defensively, but Campbell's numbers are insane.
Yes Binnington has better stats as well, although a bit of a down year last season.
And shesterkin is probably top 3 in the league. It's no slight to demko to be below those guys.

Ask any GM who they might take between Campbell and Demko, they will all pick Demko. I also saw Shesterkin play against the Canucks, he was great but got beat by Demko head to head and Canucks have the worst PK in NHL.

 

[im gangster]

He's a top five goalie.
Pettersson is a top five center.
Garland is a top five winger.
Hughes is a top five D.
Podkolzin is a top five rookie.

Everyone is the best.

You actually have some of the top players on earth playing for your favourite team yet you’re looking quite insecure here.

 

[hangman005]

For this season only... I rate him as not in my nightmares.... yet.

 

[Maplebeasts]

You actually have some of the top players on earth playing for your favourite team yet you’re looking quite insecure here.

You'll notice there's a few Oiler fans like that on the main boards. As for the thread, he's good. Bails the Canucks out a ton.

 

[Maplebeasts]

This is how goalies are trending right now; top-20 with Price as bonus

Vasilevski
Markstrom
Andersen
Binnington
Hellebuyck
Varlamov
Sorokin
Bobrovsky
Shesterkin
Demko
Lehner
Gibson
Grubauer
Kuemper
Merzlikins
Saros
Samsonov
Hart
Talbot
Smith
*Price

No Jack Campbell anywhere? The guy's been a top tier goalie ever since he came here.

 

[Advanced stats]

Ask any GM who they might take between Campbell and Demko, they will all pick Demko. I also saw Shesterkin play against the Canucks, he was great but got beat by Demko head to head and Canucks have the worst PK in NHL.

I don't have phone numbers for any gms so I can't confirm that.
But if you look at any stats over the past 3 years, Campbell has been better, and in some areas, significantly better.

 

[The Kessel Run]

Do you watch any Canucks games ever?

I do.

 

[The Kessel Run]

Have you tried your comedy act for live audiences?

People. We're not just being homers. This team sucks. They absolutely have sucked beyond belief. Their first line centre has barely been ECHL level. The fact that they aren't last in the league in every category is due to only one person. He has been unbelievable, on the back of a pretty incredible season, on the back of an out of his mind playoff stretch against Vegas. The only possible argument against him is sample size, and that is fair. But his play appears sustainable to the naked eye.

I have. It was nerve-wracking. Please don't let this one humble fan's opinion sway your own or make you feel you need to validate your own to me. Cheers!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I also saw Shesterkin play against the Canucks, he was great but got beat by Demko head to head and Canucks have the worst PK in NHL.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Entering into top 10 territory.

 

[summer tooth]

He's a high-effort tender. He isn't Jake Markstrom or Elvis, but he's still up there in the top 5.

 

[jackjohnson]

I don't have phone numbers for any gms so I can't confirm that.
But if you look at any stats over the past 3 years, Campbell has been better, and in some areas, significantly better.

Is this you making an unbiased observation or are you just talking as a leafs fan. Did you miss bubble Demko where he stonewalled Vegas in playoffs so bad that it took vegas 7 games to eliminate the much less skilled Canucks and still have psychological issues about Demko to the point that they lost their next series and their coach used Demko as their excuse for losing their series. I mean Demko is carrying this team this season playing behind Schenn, Myers, Boroughs, Hunt etc. Campbell is playing on a playoff and maybe a cup contender team. Based on the eye test, Demko is a way better goalie.

 

[jackjohnson]

He's a high-effort tender. He isn't Jake Markstrom or Elvis, but he's still up there in the top 5.

Dont forget Markstrom was not good at beginning of his career, the Canucks basically developed him under Ian Clarke to become what he is today. Canucks are doing the same to Demko. He will eventually get to Markstrom level and he did show glimpse of greatness against Vegas in Playoffs hence the name bubble Demko. All he needs to work on is becoming consistent and playing more games.

 

[summer tooth]

Dont forget Markstrom was not good at beginning of his career, the Canucks basically developed him under Ian Clarke to become what he is today. Canucks are doing the same to Demko. He will eventually get to Markstrom level and he did show glimpse of greatness against Vegas in Playoffs hence the name bubble Demko. All he needs to work on is becoming consistent and playing more games.

Very true! I'd say Thatcher is not quite at the level of guys like Vasilevskiy but he certainly tries his hardest and is on his way towards further growth and improvement

 

[Advanced stats]

Is this you making an unbiased observation or are you just talking as a leafs fan. Did you miss bubble Demko where he stonewalled Vegas in playoffs so bad that it took vegas 7 games to eliminate the much less skilled Canucks and still have psychological issues about Demko to the point that they lost their next series and their coach used Demko as their excuse for losing their series. I mean Demko is carrying this team this season playing behind Schenn, Myers, Boroughs, Hunt etc. Campbell is playing on a playoff and maybe a cup contender team. Based on the eye test, Demko is a way better goalie.

Personally I like to use more than a 4 game sample size from 2 seasons ago.

This really isn't hard.
Last season Jack campbell was better by a sure margin.

This season campbell has a 1.88 gaa and a. 936 save percentage.
Demko has a 2.56 gaa and a. 918 save percentage. Obviously Toronto might be a better team, but that's a significant difference in stats.

Edit: the most shocking stat stat and one of the biggest indicators of elite talent is gsaa.
Campbell is at 6.3 and demko at 1.8

There's literally no argument that demko is better than campbell, though I wouldn't blame someone for taking campbell going forward due to the age difference

 

[Dominance]

Personally I like to use more than a 4 game sample size from 2 seasons ago.

This really isn't hard.
Last season Jack campbell was better by a sure margin.

This season campbell has a 1.88 gaa and a. 936 save percentage.
Demko has a 3.00+ gaa and a .897 save percentage. Obviously Toronto might be a better team, but that's a significant difference in stats.

Edit: the most shocking stat stat and one of the biggest indicators of elite talent is gsaa.
Campbell is at 6.3 and demko at 1.8

There's literally no argument that demko is better than campbell, though I wouldn't blame someone for taking campbell going forward due to the age difference

 

[Regal]

Personally I like to use more than a 4 game sample size from 2 seasons ago.

This really isn't hard.
Last season Jack campbell was better by a sure margin.

This season campbell has a 1.88 gaa and a. 936 save percentage.
Demko has a 2.56 gaa and a. 918 save percentage. Obviously Toronto might be a better team, but that's a significant difference in stats.

Edit: the most shocking stat stat and one of the biggest indicators of elite talent is gsaa.
Campbell is at 6.3 and demko at 1.8

There's literally no argument that demko is better than campbell, though I wouldn't blame someone for taking campbell going forward due to the age difference

I know this is old and Demko’s stats have since tanked, but GSAA is really only a combination of SV% and workload. It uses league average save percentage to determine what an “average” goalie would have given up in the same workload compared to what the goalie in question actually gave up. It has the same problems as SV% though in that it doesn’t take into account shot quality. What you want is goals saved above expected.

 

[zar]

Let's see... I've heard many say, most especially @WooTangClan, that the Canucks D is miles better than the Oiler's D.

2019/20, 2020/21, 2021/22...
Koskinen .911 sv% (HDSV% .832) 2.88 GAA 73GP 67GS 39W
Demko .910 sv% (HDSV% .818) 2.95 GAA 73GP 71GS 34W

This season only...
Koskinen .918 sv% (HDSV% .873) 2.59GAA 9GP 8GS 8W
Demko .907 sv% (HDSV% .819) 2.99GAA 11GP 11GS 5W

...so somewhere just behind Koskinen.

 

[Advanced stats]

I know this is old and Demko’s stats have since tanked, but GSAA is really only a combination of SV% and workload. It uses league average save percentage to determine what an “average” goalie would have given up in the same workload compared to what the goalie in question actually gave up. It has the same problems as SV% though in that it doesn’t take into account shot quality. What you want is goals saved above expected.

Thanks, that's probably what I meant to look at and didn't even think there was a difference!

 

[wetcoast]

Entering into top 10 territory.

Pretty much this but goalies are the hardest position to rank, forwards are easiest and Dmen are in the middle.

 

[paterblock7]

Middle of the pack. The team in front of him obviously makes a huge difference (cough cough Grubauer).