Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[authentic]

You are throwing alot at the wall that doesn't doesn't stick with the eye test or reality.

When McDavid went down and Leon won his Art ross and Hart he rose to the occasion.

When he holds the all time playoff series assist record he isn't just a passenger.

His playoff resume is elite among elites and consistent and the only "blemishes" is when he was playing through injuries like the one sustained this past playoffs.

Oh BTW he is tied for league scoring right now but sure he is a product of Mcdavid just rings hollow an agenda or false narrative.

Edit: he is second 2 points behind Mack who didn't get 2 assists last night with some guy named Makara on the ice.......wait he actually did which is ironic because elite players tend to play with other elite players.....


Leon drives plays as good or better than Jagr so just stop with this he isn't a positive without McDavid Bullshit.

Leon drives play as good or better than Jagr ?

 

[daver]

So basically your argument comes down to ES performances in the playoffs and that's it?

Sounds arbitrary at best and selectively foolish overall as all elite players play with other elite players as per their coaches, even more so on teams that lack overall top end depth.

To the people that like this comment do you apply the same metric and standard to all players, ie pick any star on a dynasty and say well he can't be that good unless I see some specific performance away from those other stars...well if a team wins a sC then that metric goes out the window I know how the SC counting game is played.

The irony is that the same people that know that the Oilers are and have been basically a flawed SC contender team will still hold Leon to a standard they won't hold to other players, the hypocrisy is simply amazing.

So what is he? A franchise C, or as I have argued, more like a C/W hybrid; a label that can be also applied to McDavid given how much time they have spent together.

I am much more confident in labeling McDavid as a generational offensive centre who produces regardless of his linemates; a label that can be applied to about 10 or 15 players all-time, than I am of Draisaitl producing the same numbers on any other team.

Kucherov and MacKinnon have a better track record of leading their teams, and recently in a dominant fashion, without necessarily getting a lot of support.

Giving Draisaitl 100% credit for his offensive numbers while not acknowledging the amount of ice-time he has shared with McDavid is not reasonable.

For example, I do not consider Jagr's 95/96 season as his peak or as dominant as his 98/99 season due to the Mario factor. I think it is clear that while he was an Art Ross threat, his production was influenced that year by Mario.

And before you go all sanctimonious again, this is something that would keep him behind other players with similar offensive resumes i.e. he is clearly on the same tier as Kuch and Mac for his era.

 

[daver]

To the people that like this comment do you apply the same metric and standard to all players, ie pick any star on a dynasty and say well he can't be that good unless I see some specific performance away from those other stars...well if a team wins a sC then that metric goes out the window I know how the SC counting game is played.

When a team hasn't won a SC, there is a reason why. Draisaitl not producing positively on his line at ES is one of the reasons. McDavid has significantly outproduced him at ES since 2022 when on his own line and it is not because of linemates, or even if you can argue there is a bit of an advantage in linemates, McDavid takes on the harder matchups.

Draisaitl needs to step up as the Oilers go deeper into the playoffs.

The Oilers runned and gunned to the 3rd round then got outgunned by the AVs in 2022. Not much to critique there other than to not overrate both McDavid's and Draisaitl's point totals; the Oilers were clearly trying to out offence the other team with little regard to defensive hockey.

Draisaitl had one point in the last four games against Vegas in 2023, and while he gets full marks for being better than McDavid through 2 rounds last year, he was under a PPG vs. the Stars and underperformed in the SC finals.

Some will point to injuries but then not point to injuries when comparing Draisaitl's regular season resume to Kucherov or MacKinnon.

 

[Gerulaitis]

He should be in Top 100.

Somewhere between #51 and #100.

I can't see him in Top Fifty, unless he wins many more trophies in the coming years.

 

[Gerulaitis]

If he wins a cup, I would say Top25.

If not he is a safe Top50.

If he is winning multiple cups + maybe a Conn Smythe he could flirt with Top10

Top 10 Oilers definitely

 

[wetcoast]

I can see Moose being too hard to catch but Big Phil is already over rated and an interesting name because a lot of the same arguments holding back Leon (that guy McDavid) apply even more to Phil right?

Also Leon is a much better playoff performer than Phil ever was.

So what is he? A franchise C, or as I have argued, more like a C/W hybrid; a label that can be also applied to McDavid given how much time they have spent together.

I am much more confident in labeling McDavid as a generational offensive centre who produces regardless of his linemates; a label that can be applied to about 10 or 15 players all-time, than I am of Draisaitl producing the same numbers on any other team.

Kucherov and MacKinnon have a better track record of leading their teams, and recently in a dominant fashion, without necessarily getting a lot of support.

Giving Draisaitl 100% credit for his offensive numbers while not acknowledging the amount of ice-time he has shared with McDavid is not reasonable.

For example, I do not consider Jagr's 95/96 season as his peak or as dominant as his 98/99 season due to the Mario factor. I think it is clear that while he was an Art Ross threat, his production was influenced that year by Mario.

And before you go all sanctimonious again, this is something that would keep him behind other players with similar offensive resumes i.e. he is clearly on the same tier as Kuch and Mac for his era.

Mack and Kuch don't have a lot of support?

Whatever it is that you on are please share because it sounds mind-blowing.

Meanwhile Draisatl will easily be the second top scorer during his time in the league, by a significant degree and you will question his ability to drive his own line.........gotchya.

When a team hasn't won a SC, there is a reason why. Draisaitl not producing positively on his line at ES is one of the reasons. McDavid has significantly outproduced him at ES since 2022 when on his own line and it is not because of linemates, or even if you can argue there is a bit of an advantage in linemates, McDavid takes on the harder matchups.

Draisaitl needs to step up as the Oilers go deeper into the playoffs.

The Oilers runned and gunned to the 3rd round then got outgunned by the AVs in 2022. Not much to critique there other than to not overrate both McDavid's and Draisaitl's point totals; the Oilers were clearly trying to out offence the other team with little regard to defensive hockey.

Draisaitl had one point in the last four games against Vegas in 2023, and while he gets full marks for being better than McDavid through 2 rounds last year, he was under a PPG vs. the Stars and underperformed in the SC finals.

Some will point to injuries but then not point to injuries when comparing Draisaitl's regular season resume to Kucherov or MacKinnon.

Look if you can't see how dominant and elite Leon is in the playoffs and then point to his play when injured and only in the lineup because of the playoffs I don't know what to say except that every comparable must lead their team to a SC, at ES of course, since you like to set arbitrary standards for Leon and not others.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Hard not to escape the Malkin comparisons.

i think top-50 is safe.

 

[daver]

Mack and Kuch don't have a lot of support?

To the tune that a teammate, one who they have 50 to 60% of their point shares with, outscores them the majority of the time in both the regular season and the playoffs?

No, they do not have that level of support.