Where will Leon Draisaitl rank all-time by the end of his career?

[NOTENOUGHRYANTHINGS]

I dont think this is true, he is a great playoff performer especially in important games. Selecting his last 5 games (and conveniently omitting a four goal performance in game one of the series) is not a fair assessment. Not to mention Draisaitl played the final 2 games of the Vegas series with a hurt arm due to Pieto's brutal two hand slash.

In games where the Oilers are either facing elimination or have a chance to advance Draisaitl is 4-14-18 +2 in 10 gp. Slightly above his career pace in the playoffs. 2 four point games, 1 five point game. Draisaitl is a gamer.

Compare this to maple leaf MacGinnon.

Game 6 and 7 vs the wild no points.

Game 5 vs Nashville 1 point. Game 6 vs Nashville no points.

Game 6 and 7 vs the sharks no points.

Game 5 vs Dallas 2 points. Game 6 vs Dallas 2 points. Game 7 vs Dallas no points.

Game 6 vs Vegas no points.

2022 luckily didn't face elimination thanks to Makar Kadri and Rantanen

Game 6 vs Seattle no points. Game 7 vs Seattle 1 point.

12 games where facing elimination. 6 points. Highest paid player in the league.

 

[Mobiandi]

Top 10 Germans maybe

 

[McPoyle]

Compare this to maple leaf MacGinnon.

Game 6 and 7 vs the wild no points.

Game 5 vs Nashville 1 point. Game 6 vs Nashville no points.

Game 6 and 7 vs the sharks no points.

Game 5 vs Dallas 2 points. Game 6 vs Dallas 2 points. Game 7 vs Dallas no points.

Game 6 vs Vegas no points.

2022 luckily didn't face elimination thanks to Makar Kadri and Rantanen

Game 6 vs Seattle no points. Game 7 vs Seattle 1 point.

12 games where facing elimination. 6 points. Highest paid player in the league.

Are you talking about a Leaf player or MacKinnon? What about games that this player can advance to the next round?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Top 50 is possible.

Top 25 is too much.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Top 10 Germans maybe

1. Leon Draisaitl
2. Moritz Seider
3. Uwe Krupp
4. Moritz Seider again
5. Hingle McCringleberry
6. Kccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh
7. The dude from Rammstein
8. Literally Hitler
9. Whoever shot Archduke Ferdinand (no wait they were Serbian)
10. Christian Ehrhoff

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

1. Leon Draisaitl
2. Moritz Seider
3. Uwe Krupp
4. Moritz Seider again
5. Hingle McCringleberry
6. Kccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhh
7. The dude from Rammstein
8. Literally Hitler
9. Whoever shot Archduke Ferdinand (no wait they were Serbian)
10. Christian Ehrhoff

Marcel goc

 

[blundluntman]

Simpletons will always need to see McDavid go down for a significant amount of time before they budge on their stance, so a universal high ranking may be tough to achieve.

Anyone else should be mesmerized that the guy has finished top 4 in both goals and points for 5 consecutive seasons, which is something no one else has done since Gretzky.

If he performs in a similar fashion over the next 5 seasons and does his part to help McDavid and the Oilers win, those who are able to put aside bias and nostalgia will no doubt rank him fairly high all-time.

Nobody's denying his stellar performance in the league so far, but it's another thing entirely to have him in the top 25 over players like Makarov, Sakic, Yzerman, etc. Comparing his accolades to Gretzky obviously sounds good but it isn't the only thing to look at in a vacuum. Coffey is the only other play since Bobby Orr to put up the numbers he did but it doesn't make him top 25 all time. Nothing wrong with having him close to Malkin and Forsberg. Having him around the top 50 all-time is still fairly high.

 

[klefbombs shoulder]

I found the link for VsX and after the 22 season season Leon was 35th all time in his best 7 year stretch and will definitely go up after this season by quite a bit.

Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2023)

The purpose of this thread is to summarize "Vs X", an adjusted scoring system commonly used by the History of Hockey sub-forum. As far as I know, longtime poster BM67 developed the earliest version of the system, wherein each player's stats were compared to the 2nd highest scorer in a given...

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After the 2023 season Draisaitl is ranked 18th all time for best 7 year stretch. Right between two hall of famers in Bathgate and Ovechkin. If he has two more seasons similar to his last 5 I could see him climbing to near the top 10.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

After the 2023 season Draisaitl is ranked 18th all time for best 7 year stretch. Right between two hall of famers in Bathgate and Ovechkin. If he has two more seasons similar to his last 5 I could see him climbing to near the top 10.

but nobody would ever consider Draisaitl better than Ovechkin!

so while information like that is fun idt it means much of anything on its own

 

[wetcoast]

After the 2023 season Draisaitl is ranked 18th all time for best 7 year stretch. Right between two hall of famers in Bathgate and Ovechkin. If he has two more seasons similar to his last 5 I could see him climbing to near the top 10.

Interesting that Dionne is 13th in 7 year and 11th in the 10 year metric but really lags behind everyone around him on the all time lists.

Draisatl almost certainly will end up ahead of Dionne and has the much better playoff resume already so his ranking might be only held back by that lack of a SC fair or not.

 

[wetcoast]

but nobody would ever consider Draisaitl better than Ovechkin!

so while information like that is fun idt it means much of anything on its own

This isn't information it's actually comparative data and some people who glorify Ovechkin will also probably have a hard time acknowledging when McDavid passes him as well on the all time lists right?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Draisaitl has zero chance of reaching top ten player of all time status.

He isn't passing the likes of Messier, Hasek, Big four, Beliveau, Bourque, Jagr, and Crosby/Ovechkin/possibly McDavid.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

This isn't information it's actually comparative data and some people who glorify Ovechkin will also probably have a hard time acknowledging when McDavid passes him as well on the all time lists right?

data conveys information and information requires data!

theyre mutually inclusive

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Top 100
With a shot at top 50
And a slimmer one at top 25

 

[Video Nasty]

Nobody's denying his stellar performance in the league so far, but it's another thing entirely to have him in the top 25 over players like Makarov, Sakic, Yzerman, etc. Comparing his accolades to Gretzky obviously sounds good but it isn't the only thing to look at in a vacuum. Coffey is the only other play since Bobby Orr to put up the numbers he did but it doesn't make him top 25 all time. Nothing wrong with having him close to Malkin and Forsberg. Having him around the top 50 all-time is still fairly high.

I disagree with none of this. This is a league with a long history and a lot of players who are locked into the top 10, maybe even the top 20. Drai is not McDavid who has been leapfrogging most of the top 100 throughout just the last few seasons.

Top 50 is certainly still fairly high.

However, I’m also willing to put any player over another one who seemingly has their place carved out in stone, as long as the play and accomplishments fit. If Drai ends up putting together a nice 18-20 season career, is mostly healthy, and half of that is full of years similar to the last 5, I’ll have zero issue putting him over players like Malkin and Forsberg who didn’t possess the ability to play nearly every game.

Darlings like Sakic and Yzerman are not sacred to me because I recognize that they were the leaders of absolutely stacked squads. You wouldn’t know this about me, but Sakic was my favorite player as a child. I would have no problem shoving childhood nostalgia down the well if Drai were to continue elevating his game for the foreseeable future.

Either way, we have awhile to go.

 

[dirtydanglez]

top 50. top 25 would be hard to argue for if he doesn't have a cup.

 

[bobholly39]

Voted top 50.

Thats around where I have Malkin/Forsberg and Drai is a great comparable. I think he’ll very likely surpass both their primes by the time he's done (health hurt the other 2) and although he lacks playoff successes so far, he's been a tremendous playoff performer which helps - and he still has time too.

No chance he makes it to top 25 though. Top 25 is close to Lafleur/Esposito range - he simply won't reach that high.

Flipside - some horrible takes in this thread suggesting he should rank behind Mackinnon, Kane or Matthews. As of now - he's projecting ahead of all 3 for sure.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Sakic/Yzerman/Forsberg/Malkin tier. Unless he wins some more art rosses or conn smythes he's not breaking into the top 25.

 

[Sol]

Very good player in top 50 who is fortunate enough to have probably the best player in the world take all the attention leaving him open to some easy opportunities to rack up points.

 

[FrankSidebottom]

He didn’t prove he can deliver without McDavid over a long stretch so it’s hard to even optimistically project him above Malkin/Forsberg (50ish). Top 100 seems probably. Can see him eventually surpass Kane if he keeps putting up huge points till his early 30s.

 

[blundluntman]

I disagree with none of this. This is a league with a long history and a lot of players who are locked into the top 10, maybe even the top 20. Drai is not McDavid who has been leapfrogging most of the top 100 throughout just the last few seasons.

Top 50 is certainly still fairly high.

However, I’m also willing to put any player over another one who seemingly has their place carved out in stone, as long as the play and accomplishments fit. If Drai ends up putting together a nice 18-20 season career, is mostly healthy, and half of that is full of years similar to the last 5, I’ll have zero issue putting him over players like Malkin and Forsberg who didn’t possess the ability to play nearly every game.

Darlings like Sakic and Yzerman are not sacred to me because I recognize that they were the leaders of absolutely stacked squads. You wouldn’t know this about me, but Sakic was my favorite player as a child. I would have no problem shoving childhood nostalgia down the well if Drai were to continue elevating his game for the foreseeable future.

Either way, we have awhile to go.

I agree that if he continues to string together consistent top tier seasons like he has so far, he will have a good argument as far as consistency and prime is concerned against guys like Malkin and Forsberg. I still don't think he's quite as good peak-wise as the guys I mentioned but if he can string together a very solid offensive prime for another 6 or so years, he may be closer to them than I currently believe he is. The ball's at least in his court so we'll see how things play out

 

[HFpapi]

Kind of an aside but also relevant to this, I think we need to do away with numbered lists for good and most exclusively to tiered systems.

Saying top 25 vs top 60 sounds like a huge discrepancy but there's so little separating that cluster of players. What's the point of arguing 43rd best of all-time vs 44th?

I think Yzerman/Sakic are usually around 25 and Malkin/Forsberg around 50 but there's barely enough room to slide a piece of paper between those groupings.

Draisaitl I think ends up in that Sakic/Yzerman/Malkin group (which I think should all be one tier) when it's all said and done.

 

[Dallas Winston]

Top 50

 

[McFlash97]

Draisaitl probably gets into the top 20 when it's all said and done. His last 5 seasons are absolutely bonkers. That's a long enough resume of offensive dominance to already crack the top 50. His consistency cannot be overlooked. He barely ever has a down season.

His playoff resume points wise is in a league of his own. Obviously the lack of playoff games in the finals hurts and really, If he does win a cup with one of the greatest playoff ppgs , you have to start putting him in one of the greatest European players to ever play category.

 

[wetcoast]

He didn’t prove he can deliver without McDavid over a long stretch so it’s hard to even optimistically project him above Malkin/Forsberg (50ish). Top 100 seems probably. Can see him eventually surpass Kane if he keeps putting up huge points till his early 30s.

So since there is nothing Draisatal can do about the health of McDavid we are going to discount him when he really stepped it up when McDavid did go down?

Doesn't really sound like a strong argument to me.