Speculation: Where does Holtby go?

[Smartguy]

Neither of Colorado's guys are better than Holtby, that's just not true, unless of course your opinion is based off a season that didn't even finish which would be ridiculous

Holtby’s lowest GAA in the last 3 regular seasons? 2.88. Holtby’s highest SV% in the last 3 regular seasons .911. Those are mid range starter numbers at best. Grubauer has beat those numbers every season, albeit in less games because he struggles to stay healthy/ wasn’t the starter in WSH and Col for a bit. As for Francouz, he showed very well this season, if you told me to pick between Holtby and Francouz for next year, and your weighing in contracts, probably even if you aren’t, I’m taking Francouz and it’s not even close with contracts included in the discussion

People forget that Holtby wasn’t even the starting goalie to start playoffs when WSH won their cup, he just got hot at the right time. IMO he hasn’t been an above average starting goalie consistently since 16-17 as far as the regular season goes.

If a team were to give him 5M+ with term, it would be an overpayment.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Holtby’s lowest GAA in the last 3 regular seasons? 2.88. Holtby’s highest SV% in the last 3 regular seasons .911. Those are mid range starter numbers at best. Grubauer has beat those numbers every season, albeit in less games because he struggles to stay healthy/ wasn’t the starter in WSH and Col for a bit. As for Francouz, he showed very well this season, if you told me to pick between Holtby and Francouz for next year, and your weighing in contracts, probably even if you aren’t, I’m taking Francouz and it’s not even close with contracts included in the discussion

People forget that Holtby wasn’t even the starting goalie to start playoffs when WSH won their cup, he just got hot at the right time. IMO he hasn’t been an above average starting goalie consistently since 16-17 as far as the regular season goes.

If a team were to give him 5M+ with term, it would be an overpayment.

Let me ask you this who do you think gets more money within the next yearF Freddy Andersen or Braden Holtby?

I'm as big a fan of Freddy ax you'll find but it's Holtby because Holtby has a cup and a Vezina

Suggesting that Holtby will get Barely more than Freddy makes now is unrealistic I hope You're right because that makes Freddy cheaper, he can't ask for more than Holtby he has no cups or Vezina but it's kind of ridiculous

 

[Mick Jagr]

Maybe Detroit if they offer him enough and sell him on the Yzerplan?

Is there an Yzerplan? Because this year was chaos.

 

[Mick Jagr]

If Calgary isn't in on Holtby, then it'll be because he wants too much money or Calgary is nuts. They haven't had a legit, bonafide #1 goaltender since Kipper and that was 7 years ago. Enough of the trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Just go after Holtby if he isn't asking for the moon.

Edit: Forgot that Holtby is from Lloydminster. Just a 5 hour drive away from Calgary. Even closer to Edmonton, but no way in hell the Oilers can fit him into their cap.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Is there an Yzerplan? Because this year was chaos.

Well thats the point no? Be as bad as possible to land a top 5 pick to draft a C or another D.
I think he will make some moves this off-season to shave off some of the build. He doesn't seem like a super patient guy.

 

[Caps8112]

Cheaper? Absolutely, better? Not even f***ing close

What have those two ever won? Proven? Reg season goalies are different then playoff goalies

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

What have those two ever won? Proven? Reg season goalies are different then playoff goalies

We are on the same page

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Why does Calgary need another LW? They already have Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Granted, I think Treliving makes plenty of bad UFA signings, but it doesn't make sense really.

In general, a lot of Flames fans have soured on Gaudreau, so I think the loudest plan is to sign Hall, trade Johnny, profit?

Y'know if Holtby isn't getting the offers he likes from other teams, I wouldn't be surprised if he just took a "discount" and stayed in Washington. Always performs well in the playoffs and the Caps are a team where the regular season doesn't really matter.

 

[Just Linda]

These two conditions added with Grubauer AND Francousz stinking it up in the playoffs I could see happening.

I can't see Holtby wanting to fight against Grubauer again for crease time. He lost the starting job to him once already, can't see him wanting to risk it again. I don't see any way that Holtby ends up in Colorado.

 

[Caps8112]

I can't see Holtby wanting to fight against Grubauer again for crease time. He lost the starting job to him once already, can't see him wanting to risk it again. I don't see any way that Holtby ends up in Colorado.

Would think "if" holtby were there the avs would unload 1 of the 2 goalies and grubauer costs more?

 

[Flyer lurker]

Why does Calgary need another LW? They already have Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Granted, I think Treliving makes plenty of bad UFA signings, but it doesn't make sense really.

Calgary has 2 years of control of Johnny Hockey and bye bye so long fare thee well. What is NOT an option is to keep Johnny stay a 6-10 seed and lose in free agency. You can go all in with Johnny and try to win now. Or trade ASAP. If you sign Hall trade Johnny and get picks/elc players it makes sense.

 

[txpd]

Holtby’s lowest GAA in the last 3 regular seasons? 2.88. Holtby’s highest SV% in the last 3 regular seasons .911. Those are mid range starter numbers at best. Grubauer has beat those numbers every season, albeit in less games because he struggles to stay healthy/ wasn’t the starter in WSH and Col for a bit. As for Francouz, he showed very well this season, if you told me to pick between Holtby and Francouz for next year, and your weighing in contracts, probably even if you aren’t, I’m taking Francouz and it’s not even close with contracts included in the discussion

People forget that Holtby wasn’t even the starting goalie to start playoffs when WSH won their cup, he just got hot at the right time. IMO he hasn’t been an above average starting goalie consistently since 16-17 as far as the regular season goes.

If a team were to give him 5M+ with term, it would be an overpayment.

In the arc of Holtby's career he is 2nd for most playoff games with 89. With all that exposure he is 5th among goalies with at least 20 games in SV%. In GAA he is second to Tim Thomas who only played 33 games. He is tied for the most wins.

In the last 6 seasons(start of the Trotz era and not counting the seasons that Adam Oates thought he was a goalie coach) Holtby easily has the most wins. His SV% is equal to Rinne and Hellebuyck among others. Same with GAA. Holtby has always been a results goaltender. Not a stats goalie. He has always been money when the games count the most. Example being the comparison between himself and Grubauer in those playoffs. Grubby was the hot goalie. Holtby wasnt hot. He was calm and solid when things were always desperate and crazy.

Where he ends up. Its impossible to know in the current conditions.

 

[Just Linda]

Why does Calgary need another LW? They already have Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Granted, I think Treliving makes plenty of bad UFA signings, but it doesn't make sense really.

Tkatchuk has been playing mostly RW, Mangiapane has been the 2LW, hasnt it?

Essentially their top 6
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Tkatchuk
(Lines vary constantly with those 6)

Getting Hall moves Mangiapane to the 3rd line likely.

In an ideal world for Flames fans, Hall would make Gaudreau expendable and Gaudreau is packaged to get a really good 1c pushing Monahan into the 2c slot which gives Flames high end centre depth to compete against every team. Realistically though, Flames management just gives themselves LW depth by signing Hall and banks on who they got.

I'd love to see Calgary go for Holtby but I don't see their GM having the guts to do anything daring like the moves it would take to clear cap for him and get him (ie trading Talbot)

 

[Tkachuky]

Why does Calgary need another LW? They already have Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Granted, I think Treliving makes plenty of bad UFA signings, but it doesn't make sense really.

Give me some of the bad signings as you claim there are plenty ... and Neal better not be your top one because on paper it made a lot of sense

 

[Just Linda]

I can't see Holtby wanting to fight against Grubauer again for crease time. He lost the starting job to him once already, can't see him wanting to risk it again. I don't see any way that Holtby ends up in Colorado.

I mean I like Grubauer, Holtby, and the direction of Colorado right now but if they traded out Grubauer for the goalie that Grubauer beat out for a starting job already, I would probably annoy a lot of Avs fans with my laughter and finger wagging.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Calgary has 2 years of control of Johnny Hockey and bye bye so long fare thee well. What is NOT an option is to keep Johnny stay a 6-10 seed and lose in free agency. You can go all in with Johnny and try to win now. Or trade ASAP. If you sign Hall trade Johnny and get picks/elc players it makes sense.

Why would Johnny leave? He has said multiple times he loves Calgary and could see himslef playi g there for a long time. Not every player is like Tavares, if they are Flames cant wait to get Point and Makar in a few years

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Tkatchuk has been playing mostly RW, Mangiapane has been the 2LW, hasnt it?

Essentially their top 6
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Tkatchuk
(Lines vary constantly with those 6)

Getting Hall moves Mangiapane to the 3rd line likely.

In an ideal world for Flames fans, Hall would make Gaudreau expendable and Gaudreau is packaged to get a really good 1c pushing Monahan into the 2c slot which gives Flames high end centre depth to compete against every team. Realistically though, Flames management just gives themselves LW depth by signing Hall and banks on who they got.

I'd love to see Calgary go for Holtby but I don't see their GM having the guts to do anything daring like the moves it would take to clear cap for him and get him (ie trading Talbot)

Getting Hall more likely moves Backlund to the 3rd line and Lindholm to center

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Honestly no idea. I do know that his wife and kids love DC and they don't want to move. All season I thought there would be no chance he'd be back but with Covid and the flat cap who knows. Maybe he takes a one year deal at the same cap hit and looks to cash in next year, though I think he'd play a lot less next year as Samsonov would start to take over which could hurt his value.

I think some of this will depend on how the playoffs go... if he plays terrific hockey and leads the Caps deep into the tournament someone is going to fork over a ton of money for him regardless of his age.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Why would Johnny leave? He has said multiple times he loves Calgary and could see himslef playi g there for a long time. Not every player is like Tavares, if they are Flames cant wait to get Point and Makar in a few years

And there is a rumor mill his family would LOVE to have him back in the northeast and come back home. In Flyers and Rangers cases I would make the case come to a Stanley Cup contender for next 7 years locked up.

What is said and what is reality is not always the same. Just look at Buffalo ownership.

 

[DaveG]

I’m all ears on Georgiev.

Depends on what happens with the conditionals and play in but I'd definitely consider doing our 2nd if the Canes advance or our third of eliminated and the pick doesn't go to Jersey.

 

[RalphKing]

Give me some of the bad signings as you claim there are plenty ... and Neal better not be your top one because on paper it made a lot of sense

Raymond, Brouwer and Stone were all signed and bought out a short time later. Neal was obviously a terrible signing as well. The only good UFA signings he has is Frolik and Engelland I guess?

 

[rinaldo]

carolina

 

[Figgy44]

And there is a rumor mill his family would LOVE to have him back in the northeast and come back home. In Flyers and Rangers cases I would make the case come to a Stanley Cup contender for next 7 years locked up.

What is said and what is reality is not always the same. Just look at Buffalo ownership.

Part of the conjecture is that his father has had health scares a few times now, so having J Gaudreau near home is a nice thing to have. There was rumor that mom didn't like the brothers so far apart, but the org has since signed little bro to play in Cali, so I am guessing that part may have been somewhat resolved?

 

[drw02]

Is there an Yzerplan? Because this year was chaos.

It was all expected. What else did you think would happen when half the roster is filled with washed up vets just collecting a paycheck while Yzerman is just waiting for their deals to expire and/or the buyout window to open and didn't want to replace them with young guys in the system (which many of are already easily better than the garbage vets populating the NHL roster) and expose them before they are truly ready?

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I thought about it some more and there is a way it could happen for Ottawa.

1. They'd have to find someone who wanted Nilsson for free. Not picks included, not for another salary coming back, not for anything. Someone just wanted Nilsson as their backup. Hell, maybe even Washington. He's only paid 2.4M and his cap hit is 2.6M and despite being injured last year he's coming off a good season. He's also only 30. It isn't impossible that someone wants him to platoon with a young goalie.

2. At that point, Holtby would have to sign in Ottawa on a one-year deal for around 3.5M. Which is also fairly realistic. There is a goalie glut this year, there is a flat cap, and he's coming off a bad season. Ottawa is as good as it gets as far as rebuilding his value.

3. Ottawa might do it because they think Holtby is a better option to platoon with Hogberg than Nilsson and 1M extra isn't that much to pay to improve their insurance policy in net.