We have 8 players on this team that are 23 and under. We're definitely still rebuilding, even if it's getting to the later stages of that
Where do you see this team?
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We have 8 players on this team that are 23 and under. We're definitely still rebuilding, even if it's getting to the later stages of that
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Just saying it’s not galaxy brain.
The concept we disagree on is whether the Rangers can actually win with this team, speaking of joining reality….
DanielBrassard
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McRanger92
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The team is signaling they are going to be buying significantly to support this core. They’ve been credibly rumored to Chychrun, JT Miller, Hertl, Giordano and other win now players.
DanielBrassard
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haveandare
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According to natural stat truck they’re in 8th and teams including Florida, Tampa and Carolina are above them. Is the whole top of the league just lucky?
Shesterkybomb
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I honestly dont know what to do with Strome, we dont have any in house replacements and to get an almost point a game center is gonna cost us big time. I think if his demands are reasonable i dont see them moving him. Imo you maybe make a couple little moves to show you aren't doubting them but i think first rounders and players like Schneider and Othmann are part of the cap solution going forward.
DanielBrassard
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Its ok to take a step back now to take two steps forward later.
You don’t necessarily need a Strome clone. A Lundell type would be excellent.
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They need a new stat for the Rangers.... lost xG.
How many times a game to they flub potential scoring chances and dont even get a shot off? A widen open look flubbed, an extra pass or two, a horribly executed odd-man rush etc...
The team looks for the 'perfect play'. It's infuriating but one would think it does lead to a higher shooting % and a lot less xG ( official scoring chances ) It's further compounded by our lack of puck movement, support and transition
How many times a game to they flub potential scoring chances and dont even get a shot off? A widen open look flubbed, an extra pass or two, a horribly executed odd-man rush etc...
The team looks for the 'perfect play'. It's infuriating but one would think it does lead to a higher shooting % and a lot less xG ( official scoring chances ) It's further compounded by our lack of puck movement, support and transition
Shesterkybomb
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I dont think we can take a step back at this point imo. How do we aquire a Lundell type is the problem, don't see too many teams lining up to dump that type of player. We were lucky with both Zib and Strome in how we aquired both of them. Imo the best way through thisbis with a strome contract that atleast doesn't have any restrictions after year 2, and then try and get a guy like Hayton and integrate him behind zib and strome and when he's ready you move steome.
haveandare
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Isn’t that where we should be having the most luck? A pp with Fox, Kreider, Mika and Panarin should be effective, but we’re badly outshot at 5v5 more often than not, no?
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You don't acquire Lundell types, you draft them or overpay for them in UFA
It'd take a comical overpayment to trade for a Lundell
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You are not gonna get a Lundell per se. I’d try like hell to trade up in the draft, except we are about to stupidly trade away our first round pick.
Buying low on a Hayton type is not a terrible option, but I’d like to find another option as well.
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Agreed, the bait to acquire Lundell doesn’t really exist at this point, just saying that type of prospect is needed. Not a Crosby, but a good young player.
haveandare
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5v5 is the main area in question though, no? And we’re right around Florida, Tampa, Carolina, Washington, etc in pdo there. If we’re so lucky we should be way above those teams, no? Good teams will have good goaltending and shooting generally, a lucky one with a similar record should have a pdo off the charts I’d think but correct me if this is wrong
DanielBrassard
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I'm not really understanding you're point. The Rangers have been lucky at 5v5. They are 50% GF 5v5 but 45% xGF. But the funny thing is all the teams close to them in PDO are well above even in Goal Differential at 5v5.
haveandare
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My point is, when do we start to ask if they are succeeding in a way that the current model doesn’t account for? We’re halfway through the season and their 3 points out of first place in the league. When is it “sustainable” and do we start wondering how they’re “breaking” the model to some degree as opposed to freaking out about them not fitting it and waiting for them
to fall apart?
Good teams have good goaltending and good shooting of course, so the top teams having the top pdo numbers isn’t that odd. But if Florida, TB, Carolina and the like are actually good and not lucky, and the Rangers are lucky and not good, shouldn’t the Rangers 5v5 pdo numbers be well above the others?
Machinehead
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I understand your point that the PDO isn't necessarily crazy but I don't think anybody is saying this team doesn't do some things well. We have a very good powerplay and we're legitimately good at producing quality with the possession we have (4th in the NHL in high danger chances per shot attempt).
So maybe it was a little harsh to say they'd be a lottery team without Shesty. I take that back.
That said, with how poorly low-possession "quality" teams generally fare in the playoffs and how little our good qualities have to do with our young players, there's a lot to be concerned about.
More than anything, it's just frustrating. Fans wanted change with this rebuild and so did the organization -- that's why they did it. Not because we've necessarily been terrible but because the old ways didn't get us to the Cup, and it was a feature, not a bug.
A few years into the rebuild, we're a poor development team that's bad at possession and overreliant on goaltending. That's exactly what we were the day the letter was sent and for many years before that. The talent level has increased in a satisfactory way for sure, but the team hasn't moved one inch in terms of its culture and institutional problems. That's a massive failure of the rebuild.
I don't want to be critical of folks paying attention to the record. If being 27-11-4 makes you happy, what can I say? I just feel that we're still at a point as a team where I'm measuring the success of this project not in wins but in institutional change over the obsolete product, and there hasn't been any.
If Lafreniere and Kakko looked great and we were a strong possession team, while being 18-18-6 for whatever reason, I would be a lot happier than I am now.
Machinehead
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And if you want the short answer, it's sustainable when they can sustain it through May and June and win a 7-game series four times.
I've said it before, if they somehow bunker their way to the Cup with Lafreniere and Kakko being 3.5th liners, you won't hear a word out of me.
The problem is that I don't think that's ever going to happen.
I've said it before, if they somehow bunker their way to the Cup with Lafreniere and Kakko being 3.5th liners, you won't hear a word out of me.
The problem is that I don't think that's ever going to happen.
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