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Where do you see this team?

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Could beat anyone because of Shesterkin, but we’ll definitely be one of, if not the worst playoff teams in the east.
 
mas0764 said:
There’s not really an option that encapsulates my opinion. They are a solid playoff team that under other circumstances would make sense to buy.

For this team though they have a future that isn’t solidified that they owe it to themselves and the fans to continue to foster.

Combined with the fact that they are not a true contender and are extreme long shots to win more than a round or two, the prudent but unconventional approach is to continue to sell off pieces that are only win now pieces (and refrain from renting).

They need a god damn young center or two that can score and play a two way game. And another young winger if not Kravstov.
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Selling off pieces to support a future core of Laf/Kakko/Kravtsov(lol) when they’ve shown us next to nothing so far is some truly galaxy brain stuff
 
haveandare said:
Didn’t they get crushed in xG last night? At some point it may be worth questioning if they’re simply an outlier to some degree
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Yes and why do posters keep bringing this up as surprising?

We were horrendous last night. We scored 7 goals on 27 shots, better than 25%.

There have been many games over the years where I look at the numbers and I say "that's a bit surprising, maybe toss that one to the side" because sure, sometimes the analytics are in and of themselves random.

Last night's game was the farthest thing from that. Last night was like eye test bad, or at least that's what I expected when I logged in.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Selling off pieces to support a future core of Laf/Kakko/Kravtsov(lol) when they’ve shown us next to nothing so far is some truly galaxy brain stuff
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Fair point. If anything it might be useful to use them to bolster the core they have now. I know it's not what we anticipated after the letter but what can you do. Maybe could have done it this offseason to get the elite center but they didn't so now look to add elsewhere. I'm not saying they should do this, but there is some rationale for it.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Selling off pieces to support a future core of Laf/Kakko/Kravtsov(lol) when they’ve shown us next to nothing so far is some truly galaxy brain stuff
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We get enough complaints about the lack of Buch, could you imagine this place if they traded Strome too? With Chytil lost in space? I know this is a prospect-oriented community but I don’t understand the compulsion to trade vets before prospects actually force the issue.
 
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Hope I am wrong, but when the year ends, we will be in playoff position because we quickly filled the vacuum that the Islanders left behind and Philly completely collapsed. I would be surprised if we finish in 2nd.

I didn't even think they were going to be consistent enough to make the playoffs. I truly thought they were still too young and a year away until Boston, Washington, NYI, and Pitt just got too old and one of them fell off. So this is a bit accelerated and welcome since it happened a year early.

Boston, Wash and Pitt still got it. Those teams aren't top tier, but it's hard to bet against playoff veterans when they are going up against playoff virgins. So hoping it's a hard fought series but I see them losing in the first round and no one should be mad.
 
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Crease said:
We get enough complaints about the lack of Buch, could you imagine this place if they traded Strome too? With Chytil lost in space? I know this is a prospect-oriented community but I don’t understand the compulsion to trade vets before prospects actually force the issue.
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Trading or not re-signing Strome is fine as long as his replacement is an upgrade. And not named Chytil.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Fair point. If anything it might be useful to use them to bolster the core they have now. I know it's not what we anticipated after the letter but what can you do. Should have done it this offseason to get the elite center but they didn't so now look to add elsewhere. I'm not saying they should do this, but there is some rationale for it.
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I think the rangers approached last off-season expecting the kids to take a big leap, rightfully so. I think this is the window to go for it with our elite core now, because the likelihood of Laf/Kakko/Chytil reaching that is minuscule. I’m not saying trade all of them, but we need more veteran help now
 
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Machinehead said:
I finally like Strome so it would be very on-brand of they traded him now
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I'm trending the opposite direction. I really liked him & appreciated that he was outproducing expectations by a wide margin. I thought he was a good leader for the kids & very accountable, but I started to sour on him last year when he had that media session saying he thinks the players know better than the coaches.

That might've been true with Quinn & I agreed with him then. Quinn was stifling the entire team, but those bad habits are starting to become ingrained with the entire top 6. Plus I don't think his play is suitable for playoff hockey. Him & Panarin together refusing to forecheck or play defense really irk me at this point. A long term deal for him would be instantly regrettable.
 
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Machinehead said:
Yes and why do posters keep bringing this up as surprising?

We were horrendous last night. We scored 7 goals on 27 shots, better than 25%.

There have been many games over the years where I look at the numbers and I say "that's a bit surprising, maybe toss that one to the side" because sure, sometimes the analytics are in and of themselves random.

Last night's game was the farthest thing from that. Last night was like eye test bad, or at least that's what I expected when I logged in.
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Because they scored 7 goals and won handily on the scoreboard where the game is actually decided.
 
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Crease said:
We get enough complaints about the lack of Buch, could you imagine this place if they traded Strome too? With Chytil lost in space? I know this is a prospect-oriented community but I don’t understand the compulsion to trade vets before prospects actually force the issue.
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They hate Strome because _______ who the hell knows, but, ohhh Joe, he's got to go!
 
haveandare said:
Because they scored 7 goals and won handily on the scoreboard where the game is actually decided.
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Who cares?

In one game, we could lose to Hartford.

A one-game scoreline tells you less than f*** all about how the game was played.

This should be apparent even to folks who aren't "analytics nerds." Puck luck has been a concept in the vernacular for over a century.
 
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Machinehead said:
Who cares?

In one game, we could lose to Hartford.

A one-game scoreline tells you less than f*** all about how the game was played.

This should be apparent even to folks who aren't "analytics nerds." Puck luck has been a concept in the vernacular for over a century.
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I feel like it's 2015 or 2016 all over again with these debates
 
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Boris Zubov said:
I'm trending the opposite direction. I really liked him & appreciated that he was outproducing expectations by a wide margin. I thought he was a good leader for the kids & very accountable, but I started to sour on him last year when he had that media session saying he thinks the players know better than the coaches.

That might've been true with Quinn & I agreed with him then. Quinn was stifling the entire team, but those bad habits are starting to become ingrained with the entire top 6. Plus I don't think his play is suitable for playoff hockey. Him & Panarin together refusing to forecheck or play defense really irk me at this point. A long term deal for him would be instantly regrettable.
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Strome has elevated his game under Gallant and I hate to say this but I absolutely believe Panarin is the one facilitating bad habits.

I agree there isn't much room for a long-term deal but they shouldn't have signed Zibanejad to an albatross like I told them not to.
 
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Machinehead said:
Who cares?

In one game, we could lose to Hartford.

A one-game scoreline tells you less than f*** all about how the game was played.

This should be apparent even to folks who aren't "analytics nerds." Puck luck has been a concept in the vernacular for over a century.
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How about all the games they’ve won while being outplayed according to xG? I’m not an idiot, I understand puck luck. Wouldn’t we have a crazy pdo if everything was puck luck through half a season?
 
McRanger92 said:
Selling off pieces to support a future core of Laf/Kakko/Kravtsov(lol) when they’ve shown us next to nothing so far is some truly galaxy brain stuff
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It’s not, its called rebuilding and teams do it all the time.
 
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