Where do you rank Martin Brodeur all time among goalies?

[im gangster]

Comfortably top five.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Hasek and Roy probably the only ones who you could say were definitely superior goalies IMO.

 

[MXD]

4th.

 

[Boreal01]

Definitely top ten but also definitely not top five

 

[BLNY]

Not really. Goaltenders were starting 70+ games the seasons before Broduer did. Belfour had 3/4 seasons from 91-94. 4 goaltenders did it in 93/94, with 3 other being above 65 game started. The trend clearly started prior.

He did it three times early in his time with the Hawks, but never again. Marty did it 12 times, including 10 years in a row. Brodeur is synonymous with it. When clubs looked for number 1s that could be the guy 90% of the season, they were thinking Marty. Not Eddie.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I'm not saying he "collected wins" at all. He was the best goalie in the world, on a team with the best defensive unit in the game. But he was as much as part of that as the group in front of him.

Hasek, Roy, and Brodeur are the top three. You can put them in any order you like, but I take the winningest goaltender above the rest. Not to mention, it's hard to see Dom as the pinnacle of goaltending, as his style is so unique and he did not really influence the way the position was played for a new generation. Marty and Patrick did.

You mix Dom's brilliant athleticism, flexibility, and fearlessness in the crease with Patricks' positioning, swagger, and overall influence on the position - you get Marty.

If you close your eyes and picture what a goaltender is, it's Marty.

Yeah, if you put Hasek on those New Jersey teams, he would have many more wins too. Wins are not a good goalie stat to compare with. Sorry. Not to mention the fact that Hasek couldn't even come over to the league for a number of years. Which cut his career in the NHL short. Which cut his win total short. It's interesting that Hasek went to Detroit later on in his career. I wonder what would have happened if he went Detroit instead of Buffalo from Chicago. Him behind those powerhouse teams. We would be having a whole other discussion going on.
And Brodeur is not on Hasek's level in any of those attributes you brought up. It's one thing to like your guy. It's another thing to disrespect what another guy was to give your guy more credit.
Hasek was the best goaltender I have ever seen, and I watched all three for years. He was a one man defense. It's not really close for me.

 

[Korpse]

He did it three times early in his time with the Hawks, but never again. Marty did it 12 times, including 10 years in a row. Brodeur is synonymous with it. When clubs looked for number 1s that could be the guy 90% of the season, they were thinking Marty. Not Eddie.

I'd agree he is synonymous with it. He didn't flip the script and change the way teams used goaltenders, that was already happening before Broduer which is what I was pointing out.

 

[Xirik]

I think the rule change argument is beginning to hold too much weight when evaluating Brodeur. Marty was probably the best at handling the puck but he hardly was the only one being great at it. Marty Turco has a grip named after him. Ron Hextall and Ed Giacomin were also excellent in that regard and Plante pretty much paved the way decades before. That’s certainly a tool Brodeur perfected (and he deserves full credit), but that rule was implemented more because the NHL was trying to find ways to boost offense in the dead puck era than to counter a single goalie.

Those goalies were all retired at the time. It would be awfully strange for the league for the league to think they would get more offence when only one goalie at the time was actually good at it.

 

[norrisnick]

One thing to consider with regards to Brodeur's longevity and game count. The Devil's shot suppression significantly knocked down saves he needed to attempt on a game to game basis. Of the top 50 goalies in games played, And this is only counting from '55 which is when shot data is available online. Brodeur is 50th in shots against.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Would have a hard time keeping him out of the top 5 considering the amount of records he holds

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Most Minutes Played in a Single Season - 4,697 - 2006-07​

Most Wins in a Single Season- 48 - 2006-07​

Most Consecutive 30 Win Seasons - 12 - 1995-96 through 2007-08​

Most Consecutive 35-win seasons (11)​

Most 40 Win Seasons - 8 - (1997-98, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2009-10)​

Most Consecutive 40 Win Seasons - 3 - 2005-06 through 2007-08​

Most All-Time OT Wins - 52​

Most All-Time Shootout Wins - 26​

Most Shootout Shots Against in a Single Seasons - 60 - 2006-07​

Most All-Time Shootout Shots Against - 141​

Most Consecutive Post-Season Starts - 158​

Best Post-Season Goals-Against Average All-Time - 1.96​

Most Shutouts in a Post-Season Series - 3 (tie), 2003 Stanley Cup Finals vs. Anaheim​

Most Shutouts in a Post Season (7, in 2002-03)​

Most Shutouts, Regular Season + Postseason - 149​

Only NHL goaltender to score a game-winning goal​

One of only two NHL goalies to score a goal in both the regular season and the playoffs​

First goaltender in history to have 3 shutouts in 2 different playoff series. (1995 against Boston Bruins, 2003 against Anaheim Ducks )​

Most consecutive opening night starts with one team (17)​

Most Regular Season Wins All Time - 691​

Most Regular Season Shutouts - 125​

Most Games Played All Time by a Goaltender - 1,266​

Most 30 Win Seasons - 13​

Most Minutes All Time - 74,438​

Most Post-Season Shutouts - 24​

Most Career Regular Season Goals by a Goaltender - 2​

Most Career Goals (Including Playoffs) by a Goaltender - 3​

Most Career Saves - 28,508​

 

[BLNY]

I'd agree he is synonymous with it. He didn't flip the script and change the way teams used goaltenders, that was already happening before Broduer which is what I was pointing out.

Given how much Keenan yanked goalies, I'd be curious to know how many of the games in those three season were actual starts and how many were goalie of record.

 

[Korpse]

Given how much Keenan yanked goalies, I'd be curious to know how many of the games in those three season were actual starts and how many were goalie of record.

He started 70+ in all three seasons. 4 different goaltenders started 70 or more in 93/94 and 3 others with 65 or more starts.

 

[Puck Dogg]

It's difficult to compare goalies from different era's but there's some merit for him being in top 5. He's certainly in top 10, but I'd probably rank him somewhere 5-7 all-time.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Top 50 for sure

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Top 50 for sure

*looks at avi*
Some rivalries are unbreakable, lol

 

[rogking65]

I voted 3, mostly because of this

Brodeur's NHL records :

Most Minutes Played in a Single Season - 4,697 - 2006-07
Most Wins in a Single Season- 48 - 2006-07
Most Consecutive 30 Win Seasons - 12 - 1995-96 through 2007-08
Most Consecutive 35-win seasons (11)
Most 40 Win Seasons - 8 - (1997-98, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08, 2009-10)
Most Consecutive 40 Win Seasons - 3 - 2005-06 through 2007-08
Most All-Time OT Wins - 52
Most All-Time Shootout Wins - 26
Most Shootout Shots Against in a Single Seasons - 60 - 2006-07
Most All-Time Shootout Shots Against - 141
Most Consecutive Post-Season Starts - 158
Best Post-Season Goals-Against Average All-Time - 1.96
Most Shutouts in a Post-Season Series - 3 (tie), 2003 Stanley Cup Finals vs. Anaheim
Most Shutouts in a Post Season (7, in 2002-03)
Most Shutouts, Regular Season + Postseason - 149
Only NHL goaltender to score a game-winning goal
One of only two NHL goalies to score a goal in both the regular season and the playoffs
First goaltender in history to have 3 shutouts in 2 different playoff series. (1995 against Boston Bruins, 2003 against Anaheim Ducks )
Most consecutive opening night starts with one team (17)
Most Regular Season Wins All Time - 691
Most Regular Season Shutouts - 125
Most Games Played All Time by a Goaltender - 1,266
Most 30 Win Seasons - 13
Most Minutes All Time - 74,438
Most Post-Season Shutouts - 24
Most Career Regular Season Goals by a Goaltender - 2
Most Career Goals (Including Playoffs) by a Goaltender - 3
Most Career Saves - 28,508

take away team and longevity stats and not much left. You forgot 43 overall for career save percent,which is more a gauge of talent..leaves Brodeur as an okay goalie playing in a great defensive system

 

[DaveG]

somewhere mixed in with Sawchuk, Dryden, Parent, and Tretiak so 5-9 range

 

[Favin]

The stat that amazes me is 10-straight seasons of 70+ starts.

I don't know if the top tier of goalies will ever be satisfactorily ranked...maybe best to leave them as a group (that includes Broduer).

 

[HabsQC]

take away team and longevity stats and not much left. You forgot 43 overall for career save percent,which is more a gauge of talent..leaves Brodeur as an okay goalie playing in a great defensive system

Why should we take away longetivity. Being able to do it for many games is something that makes it more impressive.

 

[General Fanager]

top 10

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

see my above example

you can say that about any player "X" 30 years later.

You think Orr wouldve make it in todays game? now imagine him playing the 40s.

Think Crosby will be as great today as he would be in the 2060s?

Have you ever attempted to skate in skates like the ones Orr wore in his heyday?

I slapped on a pair of skates from the 60s one time and had next to zero maneuverability. I have no idea how he did what he did.

 

[Coffee]

Not even top 15.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Around the #6-8 area.

Very overrated goalie though

 

[Wolfpuck]

I simultaneously think he’s overrated but have him locked in at #3 all time, so clearly nobody should listen to my opinion.

 

[centipede2233]

I always thought he was the consensus #3, but with that said, I never saw tretiak, sawchuk, plante play so it’s really hard to compare….