Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

[Snuggs]

What are you giving up for him?

Whatever you think is fair.

 

[SirKillalot]

To answer your question, Compher/Edvinsson/Danielsson/Augustine/1st round pick. If they're serious about moving Pettersson I think Canucks think about this offer. Hurts to lose Edvinsson and maybe this years early 1st but yeah, 100 pt players don't grow on trees.

As hard as it is to find a guy scoring 90-100 points, its not automatic he does it elsewhere. See Huberdeau.
And even though Pettersson at least in theory haven't reached his prime, also not anything automatic that he will continue on his pace. Remember it will be 2-3 years until this team is close to contend, so Edvinsson will be no part of an offer. The others could. What you are offering is basically three 1st round picks, a middle six C and top goalie prospect who was 2nd round pick.

I guess it would take something in that region, but Edvinsson stays. Its hard to find good top four defensemen, and even harder to find top two defensemen. Now I'm reserved on Edvinsson, I hope he become top 2 long term, I'm sure he will be top 4, can he be a 1st defenseman waits to be seen.

Whatever you think is fair.

I think Canucks have to accept a little less if they are the ones "souring" on him in that sense if they think his big salary don't take them closer to a cup.

Our question is why would he move us closer then? Idk, I'm not sold on him to be such an expensive piece that he is "the guy".
For now his numbers are I'd say pretty good, even playoffs been fairly good a year and decent the other. Not lit it on fire or defended a team to victory, so who knows where he will take it from here.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Gambling futures on Pettersson to be an offensive juggernaut for us would be a big mistake in my opinion. Especially at the cap he will take up

I follow the Canucks and live near the town. JT Miller is their team's #1C and easily their best forward. He takes the hardest matchups and is better offensively and defensively than Pettersson. Don't let the illusion of one 100 point season fool you into thinking Pettersson can be that guy for us. That cap hit is absurd and it should be Miller at 11.6m and Pettersson at 8m

He is being plagued by the same problems that have always hindered him; relative weak skater and not fast enough on the rush, and weak on the puck against heavy defensive pressure. Now, he's having knee and wrist issues

Hard pass

 

[SirKillalot]

and weak on the puck against heavy defensive pressure.

This is my big issue with him. That he seems to be "easy rattled" under pressure or taken out somewhat easy. Even though yes despite of that he got pretty decent numbers. But, so got the Maple Leaf stars and where are they in their SC hunt? Not much closer despite solid players on paper for majority of the year.

 

[jaster]

i sometimes can't tell if y'all are being intentionally obtuse

 

[rangersblues]

I enjoy how you just completely ignored the question in @Lazlo Hollyfeld's second sentence. But I'm curious: Do you really think Yzerman gave Copp 5 years when he could've gotten him for shorter?

I don't know. But why exactly did we have to have Copp. It's not like he was the missing piece to make us a contender or even a playoff team.

Copp is just one example of a contract I don't like. Explain to me how we got up to the salary cap ceiling with a team that isn't going to compete for a Stanley Cup and very likely won't make the playoffs.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I don't know. But why exactly did we have to have Copp. It's not like he was the missing piece to make us a contender or even a playoff team.

Copp is just one example of a contract I don't like. Explain to me how we got up to the salary cap ceiling with a team that isn't going to compete for a Stanley Cup and very likely won't make the playoffs.

Because the Wings had no center depth and there weren't a lot of them available.

 

[rangersblues]

Because the Wings had no center depth and there weren't a lot of them available.

Got it. We don't have center depth so over pay smh.

 

[Winger98]

Got it. We don't have center depth so over pay smh.

Yeah, when you don't have a coveted commodity and your only option to get it is free agency you tend to have to pay for it.

 

[saska sault]

Yeah, when you don't have a coveted commodity and your only option to get it is free agency you tend to have to pay for it.

Basically, or you don't get it and your team is even worse. Which doesn't even matter in terms of the lottery because it's literally a gamble... Copp is basically unseasoned mash potatoes. Not fancy, not appealing but it fills a big part of the line up (meal).

 

[Gniwder]

Basically, or you don't get it and your team is even worse. Which doesn't even matter in terms of the lottery because it's literally a gamble... Copp is basically unseasoned mash potatoes. Not fancy, not appealing but it fills a big part of the line up (meal).

That's gross, and now I hate him even more.

 

[SirloinUB]

*Sips coffee*

Andrew Copp is on pace for a career year in goals and the second most points of his career.

 

[better Red than Dead]

Another thing I don’t get is when Yzerman decided to become obsessed with UM hockey players from the mid 2010 teams. He can’t seem to get enough of those players from those teams

 

[better Red than Dead]

Just keep an eye on Elias Pettersson and if they turn on him soon in Vancouver, make a deal.

Do the Red Wings need another soft perimeter player?

 

[OneMoreTry]

*Sips coffee*

Andrew Copp is on pace for a career year in goals and the second most points of his career.

It is already the best career any mashed potato has ever had!

 

[SirloinUB]

Another thing I don’t get is when Yzerman decided to become obsessed with UM hockey players from the mid 2010 teams. He can’t seem to get enough of those players from those teams

I think the reality is a lot of guys don’t want to come to Detroit. Historically the city doesn’t have a great rep. It’s not a fair weather state nor a low/no tax state. The team has been dog shit.

I think the U of M guys have an appreciation for the city/state that other guys don’t.

I also think there is something to be said about acquiring guys that “want to be here”

 

[norrisnick]

Another thing I don’t get is when Yzerman decided to become obsessed with UM hockey players from the mid 2010 teams. He can’t seem to get enough of those players from those teams

It worked with the 80s Red Army team. We had one, and then added more because the one was pretty good.
We had Larkin, started adding others because Larkin is good.

 

[Snuggs]

Do the Red Wings need another soft perimeter player?

Idk what this totally means but idk why they woulnd't want a 100 point player with back to back years with selke votes.

Idk if I'd consider him soft but luckily, it's subjective more than measured. I will say he had 100 plus hits and has time on the PK, especially younger. IMO, soft players don't get selke votes, play PK, have almost 1 block shot per game as a forward the last two years or get 100 plus hits in a season.

I'll be honest, there's' a lot of Swed's in the front office, if they feel he's not worth a move great, but I'm having a hard time believing it.

 

[mikerooooose]

Yzerman is obviously very set in his ways.

He prefers two-way, Swiss army knife type players — that are decent at most everything — but not great at anything.

The team looks exactly like that, very meh and boring. I think I theory it sounds good, but maybe it's not actually going to work in today's NHL.

He chose to "balance" the team by picking the exact same players. We are very one dimensional because of that. And again, boring.

What worries me is he seems incapable of adapting to something different — and we'll be a solid .500 team until he's eventually run out of town.

 

[Dotter]

Yzerman is obviously very set in his ways.

He prefers two-way, Swiss army knife type players — that are decent at most everything — but not great at anything.

The team looks exactly like that, very meh and boring. I think I theory it sounds good, but maybe it's not actually going to work in today's NHL.

He chose to "balance" the team by picking the exact same players. We are very one dimensional because of that. And again, boring.

What worries me is he seems incapable of adapting to something different — and we'll be a solid .500 team until he's eventually run out of town.

Weird comment considering Yzerman traded for Alex Debrincat, just signed UFA Tarasenko, and reupped Patty Kane.

 

[SirloinUB]

Yzerman is obviously very set in his ways.

He prefers two-way, Swiss army knife type players — that are decent at most everything — but not great at anything.

The team looks exactly like that, very meh and boring. I think I theory it sounds good, but maybe it's not actually going to work in today's NHL.

He chose to "balance" the team by picking the exact same players. We are very one dimensional because of that. And again, boring.

What worries me is he seems incapable of adapting to something different — and we'll be a solid .500 team until he's eventually run out of town.

It’s pretty wild that there are people out there that think something that functionally amounts to “yzerman prefers lesser players more than great players”

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

It’s pretty wild that there are people out there that think something that functionally amounts to “yzerman prefers lesser players more than great players”

i bet yzerman smokes mids too

 

[Snuggs]

At the same flip of the coin, you got a guy wondering if Red Wings need Pettersson, like Red Wings might actually be too good for him, or that he, somehow doesn't fit in with the team.

People liked the post even.

Both opinions are just equally as wild.

 

[mikerooooose]

Weird comment considering Yzerman traded for Alex Debrincat, just signed UFA Tarasenko, and reupped Patty Kane.

Debrincat was a gift. It would have been crazy not to sign him given the situation.

Tarasenko and Kane are both past their prime.

Even so these three guys would make up one line out of four on the team. Not exactly high flying offense.

 

[Winger98]

I'm not sure we're at the spot where we can deal multiple 1st and/or young assets for one guy. Especially if one of those guys is Ed. Make smaller moves to contine to bridge the gap to the kids graduating. Then look to make a big addition when we have a better idea what we have with them.

The dream at this point is probably that McDavid or Kaprizov hit the open market and we can entice one of them here.