Where did Yzerman go wrong with the rebuild?

[Frk It]

Correct. But using " we signed them to get to the cap floor" as an excuse for signing them doesn't hold water.

A team of this quality should not currently be up against the cap considering the space we had a few years ago.

It does hold water.

Any team in the league would have signed players like Copp, Compher, and Chiarot if they had the holes at 2/3C and in their top 4 on defense we did combined with the amount of cap we had.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Walman having 8 points already is pretty indicative that the system here in Detroit is atrocious. I mean maybe the eye test and advanced stats say his game isn’t actually as good as the box score says, but that’s looking like an all time bad trade by yzerman.

 

[lilidk]

Yzerman please trade Chiarot

 

[lilidk]

Walman having 8 points already is pretty indicative that the system here in Detroit is atrocious. I mean maybe the eye test and advanced stats say his game isn’t actually as good as the box score says, but that’s looking like an all time bad trade by yzerman.

We might never know , but something was probably going

 

[wingsfannn919191]

Walman having 8 points already is pretty indicative that the system here in Detroit is atrocious. I mean maybe the eye test and advanced stats say his game isn’t actually as good as the box score says, but that’s looking like an all time bad trade by yzerman.

I dont care that walman is gone. I'm bothered that we threw away a 2nd round pick when there was zero need. And for ppl making excuses on trouba...i dont care if his plan was to land him,you only make that move when you acquire him

Poor asset management

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I dont care that walman is gone. I'm bothered that we threw away a 2nd round pick when there was zero need. And for ppl making excuses on trouba...i dont care if his plan was to land him,you only make that move when you acquire him

Poor asset management

Trouba sucks also with a similarly awful contract to ones that yzerman gives out. No surprise he wanted to trade for him. Dude went to the Ken holland school of handing out term to old geezers that the game has passed by.

 

[Frk It]

Walman having 8 points already is pretty indicative that the system here in Detroit is atrocious. I mean maybe the eye test and advanced stats say his game isn’t actually as good as the box score says, but that’s looking like an all time bad trade by yzerman.

I don’t know that it’s an issue with the system. Dude got plenty of opportunity here and never had more than 9 assists in a season. He scored some timely goals for us but never looked like a plus puck mover to me.

If anything I think it might be an indication that we were more concerned with getting rid of him than getting the most value back. It seems like we felt like getting a 2nd for Gibson justified the hasty moving of Walman. Possibly some emotions involved too.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

Trouba sucks also with a similarly awful contract to ones that yzerman gives out. No surprise he wanted to trade for him. Dude went to the Ken holland school of handing out term to old geezers that the game has passed by.

At least he would have provided us with some toughness and was only a 2 year attachment to him

But yes the copp compher signings were bad from day 1

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It does hold water.

Any team in the league would have signed players like Copp, Compher, and Chiarot if they had the holes at 2/3C and in their top 4 on defense we did combined with the amount of cap we had.

Did any other team do that or were all other teams more competent at those positions?

Genuine question

 

[Frk It]

Did any other team do that or were all other teams more competent at those positions?

Genuine question

I don’t understand what you’re asking.

 

[Snuggs]

(After Red Wings draft him)

Does the Yzerplan keep him in school 1 more year or send him up right away?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

(After Red Wings draft him)

Does the Yzerplan keep him in school 1 more year or send him up right away?

Naw he plays game 1. We would probably have a big upswing like when Toronto got Matthews.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I don’t understand what you’re asking.

Sorry, you seemed to suggest that all teams would invest as heavily as we did in those x3 older UFA players to fill holes if they had to...my question is simple... did anyone else in fact do so?

 

[FMichael]

Oh good, is Walman the early season "should have kept him" this year?

Yes…Disregard that he was likely a locker room problem…

 

[rangersblues]

At least he would have provided us with some toughness and was only a 2 year attachment to him

But yes the copp compher signings were bad from day 1

You can add Holl to that list.

 

[Frk It]

Sorry, you seemed to suggest that all teams would invest as heavily as we did in those x3 older UFA players to fill holes if they had to...my question is simple... did anyone else in fact do so?

Look at the free agent tracker in the off-season. It literally happens every off-season.

If teams didn't have similar holes and similar cash to spend, you would see 0 free agent signings every summer.

Do you think only star players and league minimum guys sign deals in free agency? There are a ton of Copps, Comphers, Chiarots out there... and they all get scooped up.

 

[SirloinUB]

Copp has shown some real chemistry with Kane these last couple of games.

The haters are going to be in shambles if he keeps it up.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Look at the free agent tracker in the off-season. It literally happens every off-season.

If teams didn't have similar holes and similar cash to spend, you would see 0 free agent signings every summer.

Do you think only star players and league minimum guys sign deals in free agency? There are a ton of Copps, Comphers, Chiarots out there... and they all get scooped up.

I'm only asking as the narrative is beginning to shift by a # of people on this board from 'we needed to insulate our prospects with proven winners" to, "we had no choice but to sign these specific players simply to reach cap floor"

This isn't about what another franchise did or does (at least not in the DRW section of the forum)...it's 100% only about what the DRW did or do...