One of the main reasons he was moved was specifically the exact opposite of the bolded above. He was a healthy scratch down the stretch run last season...
When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?
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The Red Wings are on pace to finish with less points than last year.
Looks to me like they have kinda plateaued the last three seaons.
Yzerman took over in 2019.
- 19-20: 39 points .275 p%
- 20-21: 48 points .429 p%
- 21-22: 74 points .451 p%
- 22-23: 80 points .488 p%
- 23-24: 91 points .555 p%
- 24-25: 66 points .528 p%
That looks like 1 season of plateauing and 4 seasons of improvement. On top of this, rebuilding isn't a linear process. It is normal to see setbacks along this kind of journey.
So we're criticizing his work during a season where he is on pace to win 3-4 less games compared to last year despite improving every single season prior. And this is all within the context that his 3rd 1st rounder (Edvinsson) hasn't even played a complete season yet.
On the flip side, he's locked up 3 foundational pieces in Larkin. Seider & Raymond and could have another on the way in Edvinsson, one of the best/deepest prospect pools in the league and an abundance of cap space to continue improving.
Which is another baffling decision by Yzerman and Lalonde.
You can’t possibly with a straight face try and say Walman is worse than Holl/Gus/Petry
Worse at what? Hockey? Probably not, no. Being a contributing member of a cohesive team?
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Is the cohesive team in the room with us right now ?
So many people forget that rebuilding is more about the friends you make along the way and most importantly having fun, they think it's all about playoffs/cups and other Samsaristic vices.
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Wings just dominated OTT and lost the game by 1 second. The reason they won't make the playoffs is Lalonde.
The problem with that is that the league is essentially designed to bring all teams to .500. Through the draft for bad teams, through the cap for good teams. For a team like Detroit that clearly has latitude to spend (which certainly isn't true of most rebuilding teams), getting to that point isn't bad, but it isn't impressive either.
I have been doing it for at least a year.
When will everyone else See what I see abd do it?
never.
Any other GM in any other sport would have been fired by now.
But It's Steve Yzerman in Detroit It's not going to happen.
NOBODY is going to be critical of arguably the greatest Red Wing to ever exist, It's either him or Howe.
Does this team look cohesive to you lately….
Pretty clear Walman isn’t the problem.
And it’s not “probably not”… he’s better in an absolute landslide
The reason why they won't make the playoffs (for the 6th year in a row under Yzerman barring a miracle) is because of their horrible penalty kill, their lack of depth that 100% should have been addressed during the offseason or at the Deadline, subpar goaltending, and yet another collapse in the month of March.
Tonight was a perfect example of Yzerman's failure - they got dominated by a goaltender they decided they didn't need to acquire during the summer, and had the game-winning goal scored against them by a player they decided they didn't need to acquire at the Deadline. Meanwhile, their top divisional opponent did see those needs, filled them, and are likely going to be in the postseason.
The fact that Yzerman twiddled his thumbs and allowed Lalonde to actually coach this team through the Christmas break is a huge chunk of it.
Doesn't matter that they outshot them badly - they didn't score enough.
People are going to use that excuse indefinitely to cover for Yzerman's failures.
There comes a certain point where "but look at what he inherited" is no longer valid, and that was around year 4.
We’ve “dominated” a few games lately and lost because we have 4 players who can produce any kind of offense on the entire team
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Rebuilds are all about luck. Its who and where you land in the draft. If you are lucky enough to land a number one overall pick and that player is generational or even a elite super star your rebuild will be faster. Habs got the number one overall pick in one of the worst drafts because there was no clear cut super star and all our hopes and dreams are pinned on Demidov being that guy. Its a total crap shoot when it comes to rebuilds.
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I don't think ullmark is that good of a goalie and his contract is terrible. To each of their own, I guess.
I understand what you’re saying here but if we’re talking about the Wings they’ve drafted extremely well so luck is out the door already.
Seider, Edvinsson, Johansson, Kasper, Raymond, Soderblom, Rasmussen are all key parts of that team. A top winger who’s one of the best player in his draft. A #1 D who’s one of the best players in his draft. 2 more top 4 defensemen. Very good depth forwards. Then Kasper who looks like he’ll be a 2C.
The issue with the Red Wings is how these players were surrounded and coached. They could have way better options on that roster for veterans than Tarasenko, Holl, Compher, Copp, Petry. They spent a lot of money on players who just don’t give them enough. With that money they could’ve easily got 2-3 very good players who would be massive upgrades and that would make a world of difference for that roster.
They’ll be good regardless with S-P, B-N, Danielson, Cossa, Mazur and etc coming soon but they could be in a playoff spot right now with better decisions from Yzerman. Starting with keeping Lalonde for way too long when a change could’ve been made. Then adding some poor players for a lot of money who really haven’t helped them do anything at all.
This team should be in a playoff spot right now. Yzerman’s decisions are really the reason why they are not. That’s tough because your group of players really grow with playoff experience, and they’ve not been getting that experience when they really should have.
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draft better for one
2019 1st round Seider good pick
2nd round Antti Tuomsitto
could have had Alex Valsic, Jackson Lacombe
3rd round Albin Grewe could have had Pavel Deoroeyev or Aliaksei Protas
4th round Ethan Phillphs NEXT PICK Matias Maccelli
2020 1st round Lucas Raymond good pick
2nd round William Willander could have had JJ Peterka
2nd round Theodor NiederBach could have had Mason Lohrei
2nd round Cross Hanas could have had Will Cuylle
3rd round Kienan Draper, Eemil Viro
Could have had Alex Laferriere
2021 draft
1st round Simon Edvinsson looks like a solid pick BUT in fairness William Eklund went next.
Sebastian Cossa could have had Wyatt Johnston that's a BIG miss.
2nd round Shai Buium
Could have had Matthew Knies or JJ Moser
that's as far as I'm going to go because for me the jury is still out the 2022 to 2024 drafts.
But yeah beyond his top picks like Seider and Raymond he Isn't good at drafting.
And no I didn't do rounds 1-7 because there are rounds where no team had a good pick.
But I think I've shown he's not good at drafting.
2019 was particularly bad.
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Maybe, but they still pulled it off. And if Tampa doesn't load up with LTIR players then there's a good chance the Habs play the Islanders in the final, and NYI/MTL would've been anyone's series.
Unpopular opinion, but I give Montreal more credit for their run to the 2021 finals than I do TBL.
The Habs brought the same team to the playoffs that they had all regular season, ~$82M worth of players, and they proved they were the best collection of players ~$82M could buy that year. Small consolation, but worth acknowledging IMO.
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You can do this with every single team when you are comparing one pick vs the field.
Do what you did but do the Leaf’s, just for fun….
Yzerman has made a ton of mistakes but drafting sure as hell hasn’t been one.
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2nd yes.
1st there is absolutely no guarantee for, he wasn't getting top d-pair opportunities in Detroit.
I like you wouldn't get rid of him without knowing more of what we know, but it is what it is.
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Seider, Johansson and Söderblom is a very good draft at minimum already. Depending on Johansson and Söderbloms development going forward it could be an amazing draft.
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