When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?

[Master P]

Wings fans starring down their future...

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Wings fans starring down their future...

Totally inaccurate.

There'd be a few G&T's in there too...maybe some Little Caesars crazy puffs too.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Maybe for them not to look completely lethargic and unengaged on the ice, for starters.

Last night's entire game along with the second and third periods of the opener vs. Pittsburgh, they looked like they were sleepwalking, exactly how they looked during that horrid stretch in March of last season in must-win games against garbage opponents like Arizona, Montreal and Columbus.

That’s the biggest thing for me.

They look completely unmotivated. They get down two goals and it’s over.

Probably because their coach will always say something like “oh well we tried our best” in every damn post game interview

Lalonde has the backbone of a worm

 

[nbwingsfan]

Multiple things can be true at once. Yzerman undoubtedly came into a horrible situation in Detroit and has gotten bad lottery luck. That being said -- everything that he can control from trades to UFA signings to drafting has just been nowhere near good enough.

The prospect pool is fine but not amazing and the two premium pieces of the rebuild are a very very good but probably not top 10 in the league in his position good winger and a defenseman who's speedrunning Tyler Myers' career. They've nuked the cap sheet signing a whole lot of horrendous misses in UFA, especially in goal and on defense.

And what does he have to show for it? Missing the playoffs in the easiest year to make it of the last 10 to a god-awful Capitals team (and please spare me the whining about PHI pulling the goalie -- Detroit went head to head against WSH twice in the last ten games and lost both), and starting the season 1-3

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2024-25 Preseason Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

Prospect pool ranking: 4

Cap space next season: around $20-23m
Key players to sign: 0

Nuked their cap?

 

[HockeyVirus]

The most alarming part for me is their pro scouting. The amount of boat anchors they have signed is astounding.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Totally inaccurate.

There'd be a few G&T's in there too...maybe some Little Caesars crazy puffs too.

Al Sobotka must be rolling in his grave

 

[Oddbob]

The most alarming part for me is their pro scouting. The amount of boat anchors they have signed is astounding.

Who are all these boat anchors? And please don't say Husso who is done at end of year and Holl with 1 year left after this one. Copp is the only not good one that lasts more than 1 more season and that is it. Me thinks you know not what an actual boat anchor contract is.

Boat anchors are contracts that are 3 or more years left and bad term. Copp is the only one that this fits with. Even then, with the cap going up it will become less and less an issue.

 

[Oddbob]

Multiple things can be true at once. Yzerman undoubtedly came into a horrible situation in Detroit and has gotten bad lottery luck. That being said -- everything that he can control from trades to UFA signings to drafting has just been nowhere near good enough.

The prospect pool is fine but not amazing and the two premium pieces of the rebuild are a very very good but probably not top 10 in the league in his position good winger and a defenseman who's speedrunning Tyler Myers' career. They've nuked the cap sheet signing a whole lot of horrendous misses in UFA, especially in goal and on defense.

And what does he have to show for it? Missing the playoffs in the easiest year to make it of the last 10 to a god-awful Capitals team (and please spare me the whining about PHI pulling the goalie -- Detroit went head to head against WSH twice in the last ten games and lost both), and starting the season 1-3

Comparing Seider to Tyler Myers is a really REALLY bad take. Seider thus far is tracking much closer to Victor Hedman's career start. Not that hard to look up comparables and stats of how players started, and Seider actually has more pts than Hedman had at the start of his career. He is also far superior defensively to Myers.

None of the contracts they have signed stop Detroit from doing anything in the next 2-3 years. Cap is going up and the worst signing in Copp is only overpaid by about a mil. I know he is no Dubois, though so!

 

[BB88]

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2024-25 Preseason Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

Prospect pool ranking: 4

Cap space next season: around $20-23m
Key players to sign: 0

Nuked their cap?

You have zero franchise forwards/ franchise F prospects

Calm down

Detroits vision has been to try to build an average team in their peak

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Al Sobotka must be rolling in his grave

Hopefully that doesn’t happen for a long time because AFAIK he’s still around.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Those aren’t reasonable fans. Those are the Steve bots who still view him as the legendary on-ice captain and who would still be bleating “Trust the Yzerplan” if Detroit still wasn’t in the playoffs by 2028. It’s 100% unacceptable if Detroit still hasn’t made the playoffs in two years.

The fact that Detroit imploded in March of last season after having a 9 point cushion at the end of February was a massive failure. If they don’t make the playoffs this season, than any reasonable red wings fan would have no choice but to say Yzerman needs to be on the hot seat.

None of us would get 6 years in our respective jobs to make a meaningful leap forward. After 6 years, “incremental improvement” ain’t cutting it anymore, especially for a team that used to set the standard for NHL success. That may be good enough for a team that isn’t a pimple on an elephant’s ass in terms of NHL history like Minnesota and Ottawa - that’s not the standard in Detroit.

I don’t know why some fans make any and every excuse under the sun for sports executives who haven’t produced the meaningful results they were hired for.

Said it before It's because It's Yzerman and It's Detroit, It's wrong and he should be on hot seat now.

But he gets a free ride in Detroit because he's Steve Yzerman, one of the top 2 Red Wings to ever live It's him and Howe.

And because he's a Detroit Icon NOBODY is going to be critical of him, let alone fire him It's not going to happen.

I remember when Detroit was the class of the NHL and now they haven't been a playoff team for 8 years, 5 of those with Yzerman.

 

[Fatass]

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2024-25 Preseason Update - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

Prospect pool ranking: 4

Cap space next season: around $20-23m
Key players to sign: 0

Nuked their cap?

Elite players - 0.
Yzerman built himself a team of younger good players with older good players sprinkled in. He has not found any elite players. The Wings are stuck where they are until Yzerman can get elite guys to be their core.

 

[Stephen]

Elite players - 0.
Yzerman built himself a team of younger good players with older good players sprinkled in. He has not found any elite players. The Wings are stuck where they are until Yzerman can get elite guys to be their core.

Basically the early phase of the Yzerplan didn’t benefit from their tank campaigns that would have set them up with a nucleus of elite franchise changing talent. There’s still plenty of talent pushing up through the farm system but at the moment they lag in that department and it limits their ceiling as a program.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Said it before It's because It's Yzerman and It's Detroit, It's wrong and he should be on hot seat now.

But he gets a free ride in Detroit because he's Steve Yzerman, one of the top 2 Red Wings to ever live It's him and Howe.

And because he's a Detroit Icon NOBODY is going to be critical of him, let alone fire him It's not going to happen.

I remember when Detroit was the class of the NHL and now they haven't been a playoff team for 8 years, 5 of those with Yzerman.

Not really addressing your point (and you do make a good point), but if you're talking top two Wings of all time, Lidstrom needs to be in that conversation. Many have him above Yzerman on that list.

To your point, it's hard to say how patient Wings fans would be if the gm were someone other than Steve Yzerman. Any who say that they are not taking who he is into account when they preach patience are probably lying to you.
Personally, I expect the team to regress this year so Im not sweating their win/loss record so much. What Im watching for is improvements in the young players and prospects, which is frustrating so far as most of them are being held back or blocked from more important on ice roles by the run of the mill place holders SY has signed. Still, season is early so hopefully the youth progress enough to give a greater measure of hope for the future.
I find it hard to cry out for pushing Stevie out the door til I know more of what we have from the last few drafts. Feel like thats been the mantra the last few seasons, but these kids dont reach their potential overnight. Anyone can talk of patience, but actualy practicing patience is a truly frustrating endeavor (as we spoiled Wing fans are discovering). Still, I really see no other course but to wait out this crop of youngsters. Do they fire Yzerman and hire a new gm to restart the rebuild?

 

[nbwingsfan]

You have zero franchise forwards/ franchise F prospects

Calm down

Detroits vision has been to try to build an average team in their peak

Elite players - 0.
Yzerman built himself a team of younger good players with older good players sprinkled in. He has not found any elite players. The Wings are stuck where they are until Yzerman can get elite guys to be their core.

You guys can both see the future? Thats crazy man!!

Care to show me the “Franchise” forwards on both STL and Vegas?

I didn’t know that at 22 and 23 years old, Raymond and Seider were completely done developing and are what they are. Also another fun fact by our future seeing lords