Thanks. I thought he looked like the guy from his draft year in what I saw in exhibition play and was surprised to find him back in Grand Rapids despite how well he played. I was wondering if I'd missed some bad stretch or something. Appreciate the info.
When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?
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Thanks. I thought he looked like the guy from his draft year in what I saw in exhibition play and was surprised to find him back in Grand Rapids despite how well he played. I was wondering if I'd missed some bad stretch or something. Appreciate the info.
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Do you get really frustrated when walking past construction sites because they've built houses without walls and roofs?
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I'm saying conventional wisdom is that it's better to either be contending or "tanking" to get future superstars. As is, the Wings finished 9th without significant injury issues and without a youth infusion on the roster. Without "tanking", it makes it tougher to acquire future superstar talent which usually goes high in the draft. Are you stating that 3-year run of signing a bunch of Vets to Mid-out at a time when the bulk of prospects are still in the Minors/Europe/NCAA/Juniors is an ideal stage of a rebuild?
Average age of the Wings Top-16 most utilized Skaters
2021-22: 24.375, Finished 25/32
2022-23: 26.0625, Finished 24/32
2023-24: 28.1875, Finished 18/32
You want to praise the rise in the standings while also noting that the "core" pieces are still developing and so they can't be judged yet. Can't have it both ways big dog.
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And here we go again with the personal attacks because having an objective, main board level conversation on this topic is too emotionally charged. The rah rah stuff can be saved for the team board.
What is the realistic timeline for "contention"? Not sneaking into the Playoffs but being one of the legit 5-6 teams considered to have a solid shot at the Cup.... When Dylan Larkin is 33?
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I don't think Stevie Y should care at all about what a random Leaf fan thinks. Especially when you look at their abomination post-season record and how they spend to get to the their salary cap.
I know as a fan of hockey that I would rather Yzerman build his team the right way for better success than what Leafs display in the playoffs year-in/year-out.
I hope he builds more like VGN, Kings or even the Cup champ Blues over what TML has done. Kings missed the playoff 6 years straight before they won their cup.
Yzerman has created a promising farm system. Going from what was the 2019 Wings to the 2024 Wings has Yzerman looking pretty damn good. He has for sure bought himself another +5 years of grace just for how good his 1st round drafting has been.
To your last sentence… yes?
There is no way the Wings are bottoming out without trading Larkin/Seider and/or sitting Raymond. They could go to EDM route of just playing all young guys running their development, but that is proven hilariously bad play.
I once again find it so funny that Copp/Chiarot/Holl are all terrible (they are) while simultaneously single handedly winning games for the Wings.
Truly one of life’s great mysteries
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The Wings HAD to mid out because Luke Raymond was 45th in the league in scoring in a full 82, riiiight.
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Of course they should have just lucked out on the #1 pick each year, failing that trade every other good pick (even if they're the best in the draft) for a shot next year.
Superb gameplan.
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The gameplan of signing a bunch of mid free agents to mid out for multiple years to draft mid 1sts and hope mid prospects turn into superstar players is definitely going perfectly, can't deny that. Genius Yzerplan.
Absolutely blows by the Seider, Larkin and how the signings Yzerman made aren’t actually difference makers. Simply placeholders until kids are ready.
Shocking! Truly shocking.
There was absolutely no way the wings were bottoming out with those 3.
Try again. I’m excited to see how far this hole can go.
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Back in 2017, I estimated they should be in by 2027. That was before Yzerman took over or before they drafted Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa/Kasper/ASP/Danielson/Mazur/Lombardi/Buchelnikov/Augustine and whoever else they have in the system that looks pretty darn good.
Yzerman is letting his kids marinate and learn their craft. So I expect a slow, yet deliberate rebuild. He's building another powerhouse franchise to go on another 20+ year run. You don't do that in 5-6 years.
I would grade his rebuild to date a B-, not an A+ because of a few subpar FA signings. And because he didn't have the foresight to maximize Walman's trade value.
I would not be surprised if they make the playoffs this season. But I won't be mad if they miss, either -- playoffs are not make or break for Yzerman's future in Detroit, but is for Ladonde. I think a better coach will push them over the hump.
THAT said, I do think the team looks to be on the verge to sync-up and break-out. You see flashes of an small burst before hopefully the full on explosion.
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Did you miss the '21-'22 season that featured none of the aforementioned mid UFA signings in which the Wings finished 8th from the bottom?
And honestly. Just listen to a few of Yzerman's press conferences. He lays all this out. They did the be bad thing, got no help. They got some good kids so they made the decision you can't just be bad indefinitely so they added some help. Still drafting reasonably high, but that just means they take a bit longer than the lottery kids to make the show. There is no secret. There is no magic. It's a slow rebuild of incrementally improving the team. It just takes patience.
Just came here to say that Seider is not that good. He's getting crushed again out there even with easier usage this season.
He's not good defensively and scores most of his points on the powerplay. He's worse than Dahlin who ain't even that good. He's probably the most overrated defencemen in the league. Also, that Edvinsson guy is pretty shit too.
He's not the next Lidstrom. Maybe the next Klingberg LOL.
He's not good defensively and scores most of his points on the powerplay. He's worse than Dahlin who ain't even that good. He's probably the most overrated defencemen in the league. Also, that Edvinsson guy is pretty shit too.
He's not the next Lidstrom. Maybe the next Klingberg LOL.
Curious how you have come to this conclusion.
In the first 3 games he has played 26 minutes a night. His 2 assists came at even strength. He was even on opening night when the team got rocked, he was a plus 2 in the Nashville win with 7 blocked shots, last night in New York he was -2, one of which was directly off of a face off loss, another on an EN for the Rangers, and he blocked 5 shots.
No one has ever said he was a Lidstrom. For that matter no one is saying he is a Makar, or Fox, he is different type of player, but one that is extremely difficult to find (and plays the right side) and highly valuable.
I mean I am all ears and anxious to see what you have to say, but have a feeling your comments about this season are another drive by on the "Yzerman triggers HF Boards thread".
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Wait. Can Drew4u actually do it? Can he do the impossible, and unite Red Wings and Sabres fans?!
Is this real life?
A 70pt W.
A PPG C
A #1D
Somehow is going to compete to be worse than your Hawks, Sharks or Columbus…
The hole is going deeeeeep.
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Yeah that did wonders for the San Jose Sharks of the mid 2000s-2016 as well as the Oilers and their 3 consecutive 1st overall picks from 2010-2012. Look at all the cups and superstars they have.
It does, but it also makes it tougher to instill a winning culture when you are tanking year after year.
I don't think anybody would say there is an 'ideal' stage of a rebuild. This just seems like nitpicking.
You develop a winning culture by making young guys earn their roster spot against vets, not by just giving them ice time blindly. You can praise the approach of signing vets and creating strong competition of younger guys earning their roster spots that leads to a short term rise in standings while you wait for the young guys to truly break out.
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lmao. Which season was it from years past that the Wings embarrassed you and your team that you feel the need to spew this kind of nonsense?
Those aren’t reasonable fans. Those are the Steve bots who still view him as the legendary on-ice captain and who would still be bleating “Trust the Yzerplan” if Detroit still wasn’t in the playoffs by 2028. It’s 100% unacceptable if Detroit still hasn’t made the playoffs in two years.
The fact that Detroit imploded in March of last season after having a 9 point cushion at the end of February was a massive failure. If they don’t make the playoffs this season, than any reasonable red wings fan would have no choice but to say Yzerman needs to be on the hot seat.
None of us would get 6 years in our respective jobs to make a meaningful leap forward. After 6 years, “incremental improvement” ain’t cutting it anymore, especially for a team that used to set the standard for NHL success. That may be good enough for a team that isn’t a pimple on an elephant’s ass in terms of NHL history like Minnesota and Ottawa - that’s not the standard in Detroit.
I don’t know why some fans make any and every excuse under the sun for sports executives who haven’t produced the meaningful results they were hired for.
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The dead weight vets are mostly coming off the books this year and next year minus 2 of them. So the 20-22 year old prospects should get moved in. The kids plus Larkin, Raymond, Seider, and Edvinsson with the kids growth will make us a playoff team. Probably not cup contender tier but reliably get 1-2 rounds and get sent home by a contender.
Also they didn't win any lottery picks so you are kidding yourself if you think that the rebuild could skip 2-3 tweener year's. The franchise was scorched earth empty after Holland left minus Larkin and a back injury plagued Z. Most rebuilds take around 10-12 year's if you don't get lottery luck.
Hell Colorado hit lottery luck and they took over 10 year's to come out of it.
When did they finish 9th last season? News to me.
There’s also essentially no difference between picks 6-10 in NHL potential. Certainly not the last few years
And for the 4th time, utterly hilarious Andrew Copp is both a horrible player and single handedly keeping the Wings out of last place.
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