norrisnick
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When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?
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If 2 years ago you would say the Wings put up 91 points and were tie breaks away from a playoff spot this season it would look like a great success. However the way it has happened has not been through rebuilding and injecting youth but by signing and trading for veterans.
2 years ago they added Raymond and Seider as rookies and things were looking great for a youth movement. But not a single young player has since been added as a full-timer
2 years ago they added Raymond and Seider as rookies and things were looking great for a youth movement. But not a single young player has since been added as a full-timer
That's absolutely a fair criticism IMO. Hopefully he learned his lesson this year.
Oilslick941611
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Just curious; at what age cut-off does a player become ineligible from being part of rebuilding?
Then there are the posters creating strawman arguments about a 1 point improvement being the same as an 11 point improvement.
Gil Gunderson
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This is kind of how I feel about it. I know that GMs can use the word 'rebuild' and they automatically get 5 years of goodwill no matter what but I'm not sure that what we're seeing out of the Red Wings is particularly impressive.
5 years in, no playoffs and their biggest leap is barely making it in a clown fight at the end of the year.
They're trending up but it doesn't seem to be a particularly great height. I'll readily admit to not being super aware of what their organization is like but from the outside it looks like a big meh venturing on poor.
Roster is built incredibly well. Edvinsson, Seider, Pellika, Wallinder.... You build your team with defence and centre...
Trust the process. Yzerman knows what he's doing... and should have a long leash.
Trust the process. Yzerman knows what he's doing... and should have a long leash.
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The only problem is that centers are not even half good as defenseman
WarriorofTime
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I think Yzerman won't be criticized from fanbase unless and until the team has a setback in the standings. As long as there is a slow and steady climb year to year, people will be satisfied enough that things are progressing. Detroit, like many American NHL cities, is pretty soft/polite when it comes to its local media hockey coverage, and doesn't do the ragebait thing that Canadian cities do and that in American cities are primarily reserved for NFL teams. So that helps avoid any sort of "it's been a 7-year rebuild, what gives" kinda talk.
Next season will be interesting as the underlying metrics weren't great this year and there were a lot of veterans through a couple years of free agent spendings (2nd oldest team by average age, which obviously does not tell the story of where teams are in their cycle but does tell you where a lot of the auxillary pieces are coming from). Top priority will be extensions for Seider and Raymond, and then they'll go from there.
Next season will be interesting as the underlying metrics weren't great this year and there were a lot of veterans through a couple years of free agent spendings (2nd oldest team by average age, which obviously does not tell the story of where teams are in their cycle but does tell you where a lot of the auxillary pieces are coming from). Top priority will be extensions for Seider and Raymond, and then they'll go from there.
Avs2022
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No excuses. Av's should have drafted #1 and dropped to 4th after our 48 point season. Had to draft some dman plug playing college hockey who was from Calgary.
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Pretty sure Torts read this thread during the final 5 minutes of yesterday’s game.
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You mean after drafting 2nd overall one year and 1st overall after that?
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Well that's weird because the NHL now tracks offensive zone time with PuckEDGE and the Red Wings were a below average team at generating offensive zone time as well. 40.4% in the O-zone at even strength.
If your theory were true, they'd have high offensive zone time compared to shots, but their zone time sucks as well.
Avs2022
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The biggest problem this year was in the 14/15 games Larkin was out to injury the Wings got not even .3 pgp (points per game) when he was unavailable. It was like .28 something. If they had even just 1 point in those games they would have been in the wildcard spot.
The team is good moving forward, over the next 1-2 year's some of our beat prospects will be making a case to make the roster and boot out obvious placeholders (Holl, Chiarot, Copp, Sprong, Husso) with Aljo, ASP, Danielson, Kasper, and Cossa.
It's good that the team has progressed far enough that they are no longer a tanking team. Now they just have to keep improving a little bit each year over the next 2-3 and they should be a consistent playoff team.
The team is good moving forward, over the next 1-2 year's some of our beat prospects will be making a case to make the roster and boot out obvious placeholders (Holl, Chiarot, Copp, Sprong, Husso) with Aljo, ASP, Danielson, Kasper, and Cossa.
It's good that the team has progressed far enough that they are no longer a tanking team. Now they just have to keep improving a little bit each year over the next 2-3 and they should be a consistent playoff team.
If Yzerman never played for Detroit, fans would be screaming for his termination
Improved every single season year over year.
Most of our top young players are still on the way
Missed the playoffs by zero points
Lalonde needs to go asap but outside of that there are snow glaring mistakes he’s made whatsoever
Do you think if he didn’t trade Hronek the wings would make the playoffs? I think they might have easily. Don’t understand the move when Detroit was ready to compete, cap space was always there.
We didn't want to pay him 7+ million dollars.
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There's literally 2 players on the team that played in the 2019/20 season. 98% player turnover after Yzerman's second year, then he went full tank mode.
There's absolutely no GM in history of any sport that could turn this team around within your unrealistic expectations while having so few assets.
He drafted what could be considered the best player in the 2019 draft and the best player available in 2020, as of now only Stutzle has more points than Raymond.
That's some amazing drafting!
To be fair, none of them earned it out of camp. And Yzerman always hedges his bets hoping that he is forced to trade a veteran to make room for a younger player. Maybe Berggren deserved a longer stint with the club, but that can be debated until the cows come home and it wasn't on offense that the team needed the veterans. It took Edvinsson 3/4 of the year, after offseason surgery, to be ready, and now he will be there to start next year. I would assume Johansson, Pellikka, and Wallinder (maybe Buium) will get their chance once again, but Yzerman is right to at least have a veteran in place to let the younger players develop in the AHL.
Especially considering they never won a draft lottery.
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The predictions I saw were that Detroit, with the way they were shaping up their roster, would be in no man's land, which is exactly where they ended up being.
Fortunately, there are good pieces coming in and Raymond is turning into a star.
Yet, when one of those two players is out the Wings look like a lottery team.... So what did he improve?
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