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Speculation: When Does Bruno Get The Boot?

When does Trotz pull the plug on Brunette?

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Predsanddead24 said:
Except that Sissons, McCarron, and Smith had all been bad leading up to the Kraken game as well. I don’t get how the conclusion from the first few games of the season should somehow be that Parsinnen was the cause of our fourth line bleeding goals. He certainly didn’t help in the short chance he got but the other guys were bad over much larger sample sizes. Which drives home my point they get a much longer leash to prove themselves than the likes of Parsinnen.
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Two games without Pärssinen to start the season, none of the players in question were on the ice for more than one ES goal against (players not in the discussion were out there for multiple ES goals against when we pulled the goalie). Then the SEA game where things went off the rails. Then the next three games were at most four ES goals against across the entire roster (Stammer, Sissons, Smith, Josi ... March, Forsberg, McCarron, Tomasino with 3)

Looking at the 4th line combos for the season ....

17/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 0 gf
90/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
26/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
10/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
68/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 2gf
13/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 0gf (16 seconds together)
13/47/10 - 5on5 on ice 3ga, 1 gf (4:30 together)

Only one player started their season with such a painful number of goals against in only a handful of shifts. Sucks for the guy who changed his number to 13 ... but he's had the bad luck of that number and he is now shuffled even further down with how L'Heureux is performing.
 
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Two games without Pärssinen to start the season, none of the players in question were on the ice for more than one ES goal against (players not in the discussion were out there for multiple ES goals against when we pulled the goalie). Then the SEA game where things went off the rails. Then the next three games were at most four ES goals against across the entire roster (Stammer, Sissons, Smith, Josi ... March, Forsberg, McCarron, Tomasino with 3)

Looking at the 4th line combos for the season ....

17/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 0 gf
90/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
26/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
10/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1ga, 0gf
68/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 2gf
13/47/36 - 5on5 on ice 1 ga, 0gf (16 seconds together)
13/47/10 - 5on5 on ice 3ga, 1 gf (4:30 together)

Only one player started their season with such a painful number of goals against in only a handful of shifts. Sucks for the guy who changed his number to 13 ... but he's had the bad luck of that number and he is now shuffled even further down with how L'Heureux is performing.
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I don’t know how you’re pulling line info but McCarron, Smith, and Sissons all gave up a lot of goals to start the season even outside of the Kraken game. The first + game any of them had was the last one.
 
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Predsanddead24 said:
I don’t know how you’re pulling line info but McCarron, Smith, and Sissons all gave up a lot of goals to start the season even outside of the Kraken game. The first + game any of them had was the last one.
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Let's go goal by goal against at ES ... only forwards on ice listed
10/10/2024
1st goal against 90, 14, 9
2nd goal against 17,36, 47 (only time they were together for an ES goal against)
3rd goal ... PP
4th goal against 14, 90, 91

10/12/2024
1st goal against 9, 14, 90
2nd 10, 77, 82
3rd 9, 14, 81, 90, 91 (EN)

Shall I continue to the SEA game?

The game logs are available. Naturalstatttrick has the line tool by strength.
 
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101st_fan said:
Let's go goal by goal against at ES ... only forwards on ice listed
10/10/2024
1st goal against 90, 14, 9
2nd goal against 17,36, 47 (only time they were together for an ES goal against)
3rd goal ... PP
4th goal against 14, 90, 91

10/12/2024
1st goal against 9, 14, 90
2nd 10, 77, 82
3rd 9, 14, 81, 90, 91 (EN)

Shall I continue to the SEA game?

The game logs are available. Naturalstatttrick has the line tool by strength.
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Please do because the next games for McCarron are -4, -1, -2, 0, and -1 and for Smith are -2, -3, -1, 0, and 0 before finally having a plus game in the last game. Are you really trying to argue that they haven’t been minus players in most games this season (or 50% of games in Smiths case since I know you love pedantry)? Because that’s just a straight up fact.
 
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Predsanddead24 said:
Please do because the next games for McCarron are -4, -1, -2, 0, and -1 and for Smith are -2, -3, -1, 0, and 0 before finally having a plus game in the last game. Are you really trying to argue that they haven’t been minus players in most games this season? Because that’s just a straight up fact.
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When before the Jusso experiment didn't hold up ... go to with Jusso and then after. Got it. Moving the goalposts to if they were minus is an interesting touch. Expected but interesting. Not realizing what the lines were game by game is a nice selective memory.

10/15 SEA (4 out of 6 5on5 ga with 13 on ice) 4th line of 13/47/10 ... Smith starting on the 2nd line.
First 3 ES goals against 10,13, 47
4th 10, 91, 81
5th 13, 36, 47
6th 36, 47, 90
7th ES-EN 9, 14, 77, 82, 90

10/17 EDM ... 4th line of 26/47/36
1st ga 10, 26, 36
2nd ga 10, 17, 36
3rd 10, 36, 47
4th es-en 9, 14, 81, 90, 91

10/19 DET ... 4th line 26/47/36
1st ga ... 26, 47, 36
2nd ... PP
3rd ... 26, 47, 91
4th ES-EN 9, 14, 81, 90, 91
5th ES-EN 9, 10, 81, 82, 91


Vandy fans didn't move the goalposts as much as you have. What's next?
 
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When before the Jusso experiment didn't hold up ... go to with Jusso and then after. Got it. Moving the goalposts to if they were minus is an interesting touch. Expected but interesting. Not realizing what the lines were game by game is a nice selective memory.

10/15 SEA (4 out of 6 5on5 ga with 13 on ice) 4th line of 13/47/10 ... Smith starting on the 2nd line.
First 3 ES goals against 10,13, 47
4th 10, 91, 81
5th 13, 36, 47
6th 36, 47, 90
7th ES-EN 9, 14, 77, 82, 90

10/17 EDM ... 4th line of 26/47/36
1st ga 10, 26, 36
2nd ga 10, 17, 36
3rd 10, 36, 47
4th es-en 9, 14, 81, 90, 91

10/19 DET ... 4th line 26/47/36
1st ga ... 26, 47, 36
2nd ... PP
3rd ... 26, 47, 91
4th ES-EN 9, 14, 81, 90, 91
5th ES-EN 9, 10, 81, 82, 91


Vandy fans didn't move the goalposts as much as you have. What's next?
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Dude you’re just making stuff up I never said to argue about. Believe whatever you want.
 
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Predsanddead24 said:
Dude you’re just making stuff up I never said to argue about. Believe whatever you want.
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I posted the data of our 4th lines which you then questioned where the line combos came from when it was the starting lineups and realized TOI lines 5on5. You then invoked minus players although the 4th line stats I posted showed a lot of goals against and few goals for. If the 4th line was so bad before Jusso got in the roster why doesn't that show in the goals against data? Simple question.
 
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I posted the data of our 4th lines which you then questioned where the line combos came from when it was the starting lineups and realized TOI lines 5on5. You then invoked minus players although the 4th line stats I posted showed a lot of goals against and few goals for. If the 4th line was so bad before Jusso got in the roster why doesn't that show in the goals against data? Simple question.
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No I said McCarron, Smith, and Sissons got longer leashes than Parsinnen despite being equally bad. You posted a bunch of data showing that is in fact correct. Or do you think those guys aren’t minus players?
 
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Predsanddead24 said:
No I said McCarron, Smith, and Sissons got longer leashes than Parsinnen despite being equally bad. You posted a bunch of data showing that is in fact correct. Or do you think those guys aren’t minus players?
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To be equally bad they would have had to be on ice for three goals against in their first seven shifts. That simply was not the case. Through two GAMES they weren't out there for as many goals against.
 
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    Predsanddead24 said:
    lol that’s a level of pedantry I thought that not even you could achieve.
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    I can't help it if people fail to use words as defined.

    The reality is that the 4th line combos as iced have been meh in 7 of 8 games so far which is fine for their role. The one game where they sucked, they sucked at Linda Lovelace levels. That line as a unit is going to be on ice for 30-40 goals for 5on5 across a season .. 9 ish goals per forward plus a few from the blueline.

    The line so far hasn't been horrible outside of the Kraken game. Individuals caught during line changes or the line out there as a 0 or -1 for most games. Four of the first five games they struggled to find an identity ... that fifth game they got molested. The last three games they've been a positive factor in games ... ok, Bedard got one in against them.

    The player that meshed worst on that line was Pärssinen. Three goals against, one for, in his first seven shifts. Objectively that gets the player in his only game that season viewed in a negative light.
     
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    Just emptied my Russell's 10yr .... going to the single barrel for the next pour. IMG_6411.JPG
     
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    Parssinen and Novak get to play with the iPads on the end of the bench.

    Ed: saved by a toe pick.
     
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