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There is nothing more wrong with Russians than there are things wrong with the others. It's all back and forth and the Final is mostly a case of Win some lose some.

Most of the time the Russians have much more talent than Czechs or Finland for example even on D that many seems to think they lack. Nothing wrong with Czechs or Finns either but they just don't have the numbers and if you take a look at their rosters on D you won't go blind with all the shining talent.

Russians just lost to a great team that had gelled well. Kudos to Crosby really.

Russians and Finland are really the two opposite ends of the hockey spectrum in a way that Russians often have brilliant talent and sometimes fall apart a bit as a team while Finland is often a good step or two behind the others in talent but sometimes get results as a team.

Emphasizng more hard work and team play on the Russians like the Finns do might lose a good deal of that flashy talent in the progress. I rather like the Russians as they are.

A shame about the ceremony but I don't think it's relevant.
 
Adam Larsson said:
What happened after the game? What did the Russians do that was so bad? I obviously did not see the game so I have no idea what happened and this is the first I'm hearing about it.
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The closing ceremonies involved the Russians receiving their silver medals, and each player thereafter immediately went through the line shaking hands with the Canadians before the gold medals were handed out.

IIRC, the Russian players then saluted the crowd (who was pro-Russian for the most part) as the Canadians were receiving their medals.

They then departed the ice aside from four Russians who stayed until the anthem was played and the flags were raised.

When I first saw it, I thought it was some kind of organizational snafu because I don't remember seeing players receive the silver medal and then immediately shake hands with the other team before.

So I thought maybe there was some miscommunication.

Fasel, head of the IIHF, has come out and stated that there was no miscommunication and that the IIHF may pursue some form of sanctioning for the behaviour. The Russian sports minister has apologized on behalf of Russia.

Some have alleged that Ovechkin and Malkin tried to convince their teammates to stay and others have said that the players who left just simply followed Kovalchuk who may have been the instigator in waving them off the ice.
 
The truth is, even if it's not popular I'm gonna say it anyway and I don't care. Generally speaking, albeit with minor exceptions, Eastern European culture is much different from Western European/North American.

Eastern Europeans are generally more cold and self-centred, whereas Western Euros/North Americans have a sacrifice/team concept mentality. The cultures are different, and the proof is look at the regional differences, why is one more dominant than the other? Why do they play in North America as opposed to North Americans going over there (NHL vs KHL)? People emigrate from East to West for a better life, and not vice versa. Anyway, that's enough, since I don't want to turn this political.

It's always been like this, and will always be like this. There's your answer.
 
Macman said:
For the last time: there were no Russians on the ice when the anthem was played. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero :help:
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Well to be fair, Ovi and Malkin wanted to stay and defied Kovalchuk, but they also didn't wanna be the only four staying, it's rather embarrassing for them to be the only four while their entire team is gone. If Ovi were captain, things would've been different.
 
Macman said:
For the last time: there were no Russians on the ice when the anthem was played. None. Nada. Zilch. Zero :help:
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Yup and they were all gone BEFORE Fasel declared WC closed too, which proceeded the playing of our anthem. Proceedings seemed a bit muddled / confused + too long. Still Didn't seem like an intentional sleight to me. They shook hands, saluted the crowd and left, looked quite cordial. The hackneyed phrase tempest in a tea pot, comes to mind...
 
evermix said:
The truth is, even if it's not popular I'm gonna say it anyway and I don't care. Generally speaking, albeit with minor exceptions, Eastern European culture is much different from Western European/North American.

Eastern Europeans are generally more cold and self-centred, whereas Western Euros/North Americans have a sacrifice/team concept mentality. The cultures are different, and the proof is look at the regional differences, why is one more dominant than the other? Why do they play in North America as opposed to North Americans going over there (NHL vs KHL)? People emigrate from East to West for a better life, and not vice versa. Anyway, that's enough, since I don't want to turn this political.

It's always been like this, and will always be like this. There's your answer.
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Well thank goodness you didn't turn this political. Whew.
 
evermix said:
The truth is, even if it's not popular I'm gonna say it anyway and I don't care. Generally speaking, albeit with minor exceptions, Eastern European culture is much different from Western European/North American.

Eastern Europeans are generally more cold and self-centred, whereas Western Euros/North Americans have a sacrifice/team concept mentality. The cultures are different, and the proof is look at the regional differences, why is one more dominant than the other? Why do they play in North America as opposed to North Americans going over there (NHL vs KHL)? People emigrate from East to West for a better life, and not vice versa. Anyway, that's enough, since I don't want to turn this political.

It's always been like this, and will always be like this. There's your answer.
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The Western world was not devastated by war and oppression from a dictatorship. Eastern Europe was left in a sad state at the downfall of the Soviet Union.
However, it has nothing to do with the NHL being superior to the KHL. Players like Fedorov and Mogilny fled the USSR because they sought a better life.
The Red Army team was one of the best of all time, due to the level of conditioning they had. The programs for athletes in the Soviet Union was harsh, but it produced a lot of Olympic medallists in many disciplines.
 
evermix said:
Well to be fair, Ovi and Malkin wanted to stay and defied Kovalchuk, but they also didn't wanna be the only four staying, it's rather embarrassing for them to be the only four while their entire team is gone. If Ovi were captain, things would've been different.
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Kovalchuk eh what a classy guy, I hope the NHL as a whole refuses to sign him when he comes crawling back.
 
Scotty B said:
Yup and they were all gone BEFORE Fasel declared WC closed too, which proceeded the playing of our anthem. Proceedings seemed a bit muddled / confused + too long. Still Didn't seem like an intentional sleight to me. They shook hands, saluted the crowd and left, looked quite cordial. The hackneyed phrase tempest in a tea pot, comes to mind...
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The weird thing about it all was the non-reaction from TSN's Miller and Ferraro. Miller just says the Russians are now leaving the ice like it was the normal thing to do. He doesn't express surprise over them leaving early. They didn't clue in at all, which surprised me considering how many of these ceremonies they've covered. I was sitting there saying, "Where the hell are they going?" while tweets began pouring in from journalists and others watching.
 
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Macman said:
The weird thing about it all was the non-reaction from TSN's Miller and Ferraro. Miller just says the Russians are now leaving the ice like it was the normal thing to do. He doesn't express surprise over them leaving early. They didn't clue in at all, which surprised me considering how many of these ceremonies they've covered. I was sitting there saying, "Where the hell are they going?" while tweets began pouring in from journalists and others watching.
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I honestly assumed that they were being herded off the ice by the organizers.
 
IMO there's nothing wrong with Russia. They embody what hockey should be about - speed, skill, scoring, excitement. It's the North Americans that are ruining the game. People actually think hockey should be about grit, defense, and shot blocking. The NHL overvalues 3rd/4th line grinders for some reason. And it ruins the product. NHL hockey is boring for the most part, especially in the playoffs.
 
NyQuil said:
I honestly assumed that they were being herded off the ice by the organizers.
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I can see that. The Russians even raised their sticks to the crowd while the Canadian players applauded them. Like I said, weird.
 
Crosberry87 said:
IMO there's nothing wrong with Russia. They embody what hockey should be about - speed, skill, scoring, excitement. It's the North Americans that are ruining the game. People actually think hockey should be about grit, defense, and shot blocking. The NHL overvalues 3rd/4th line grinders for some reason. And it ruins the product. NHL hockey is boring for the most part, especially in the playoffs.
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I guess defense is not a skill? :shakehead
 
Crosberry87 said:
IMO there's nothing wrong with Russia. They embody what hockey should be about - speed, skill, scoring, excitement. It's the North Americans that are ruining the game. People actually think hockey should be about grit, defense, and shot blocking. The NHL overvalues 3rd/4th line grinders for some reason. And it ruins the product. NHL hockey is boring for the most part, especially in the playoffs.
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I'm really disappointed in the direction the NHL is going. The players are more skilled than ever but you wouldn't know it watching the playoffs. The coach's are killing it. It's awful. The worlds this year was like a breath of spring. We're about to see maybe the most incredible prospect I've ever seen come into the NHL and instead of celebrating his skills, they're going to be choked out of him by a league that now favours stifling defence over creativity.
 
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Crosberry87 said:
IMO there's nothing wrong with Russia. They embody what hockey should be about - speed, skill, scoring, excitement. It's the North Americans that are ruining the game. People actually think hockey should be about grit, defense, and shot blocking. The NHL overvalues 3rd/4th line grinders for some reason. And it ruins the product. NHL hockey is boring for the most part, especially in the playoffs.
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Interesting concept that speed, skill, scoring, and excitement are mutually exclusive concepts from grit, defense, and shot blocking. Canada's two recent gold medal wins at the Olympics are evidence that all these facets of the game can be combined into one team.

Speaking of overvaluing 3rd/4th liners, I believe Russia has fallen prey to this thinking more than Canada. I remember watching the likes of Getzlaf exploiting his match-up against Kozlov and his green glove KHL counterparts in the 2010 Olympics and wondering what the heck Bykov was thinking when he matched a lazy scrub like Kozlov against an elite player in Getzlaf. The 1-0 goal for Canada was created primarily when Kozlov decided not to back-check. Easy tap-in for Getzlaf on that one. Then you have Nash out-skating the entire Russian team for the 3-0 goal. I am sure back-checking by Malkin, Semin, or Ovechkin would have been appreciated at that point.
 
For the last time, 8 Russian players remained on the ice for the gold medal presentation:

Ovie, Malkin, Tikhanov, Dadonov, Tarasenko, Mironov, Kulikov, & Panarin.

The confusion is coming from the article, which says (I'm paraphrasing), "Ovechkin, Malkin....amongst other players."
 
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