ItsFineImFine
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To me, Draisaitl looks far better than McDavid this year. McDavid looks like a bit of a rush merchant (no offense) though maybe he's just sand-bagging it for the playoffs, I dunno.
What's wrong with Connor McDavid this season? Lowest PPG and GPG output in ~7-8 years for him
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To me, Draisaitl looks far better than McDavid this year. McDavid looks like a bit of a rush merchant (no offense) though maybe he's just sand-bagging it for the playoffs, I dunno.
TheLegend27
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I mean, the person you're responding to is a lifelong Pittsburg fan who watched Crosby play for his entire career. You can say you prefer Crosby or that he’s better, but there needs to be more valid arguments than “look he lifted a cup”. I’m sure McDavid would love to go 19 points in 24 games and focus on a “well rounded game” but those stats with the Oilers is a first round exit. Kinda unfair to evaluate both on cup success when one has to play double the level just to sniff the finals.
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Voight
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If the season ended today he would finish 4th in points, which would be a career worst finish for him.
Insane.
**Not including his rookie season
Insane.
**Not including his rookie season
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OilersFanatics505
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Voight
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Forgot to add in that does include his rookie year. So basically out of all healthy seasons hes had, this would be his "worst" which is crazy.
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Pens fans do not spend half of their posts pumping up McDavid to the detriment of Crosby. You can drop the schtick man, you’re not fooling any of us.
As for the thread, the similarity of Crosby’s and McDavid’s regular seasons continues after all of those years.
Crosby at 27 :
Finished 3rd in points
Finished 1st in PPG
McDavid at 27 :
Currently 4th in points
Currently 5th in PPG
So much for McDavid being in a “different stratosphere” than Crosby offensively when the only thing separating their RS resume up to that point is badly timed injuries….
WalterLundy
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And there it is! Another accusation of not being a pens fan! Beautiful. You don’t get to tell me what pens fans get to do. Nothing I bring up is to the “detriment” of Crosby when it comes to McDavid it’s just that he is an inferior player. I have sang the praises of Jagr and Malkin on here for a good while and obviously have Lemieux 2nd ever. One of the best talents the game has ever seen. Just because I find Crosby to be a failure as a generational offensive talent in full seasons doesn’t mean I am not a pens fan. I’m assuming you still have your ticket stubs from the 91 and 92 finals right? Maybe I’ll make them my profile picture…
I’m not trying to fool anyone. Who is “us” by the way because I can guarantee that you haven’t been to a fraction of pens games that I have. What a clown comment. You can be a pens fan and state the obvious. McDavid is better than Crosby. Gretzky is better than Lemieux (as great as he was). Saying these things and exposing fragile, insecure Crosby gatekeepers doesn’t mean you aren’t a pens fan. Stick to tennis man honestly I have forgotten more hockey than you’ll know and if you’ll attack me for McDavid posts we all know you are a Crosby worshipper. Let’s not act like we will get an ounce of objectivity when it comes to him. That was a pretty lame attempt at a rebuttal too by referencing his hot garbage 2014-15 season. I wouldn’t dig that corpse up to try and compare that to any McDavid season…..
I would lament the pitfalls of some of the fans within the base but you probably aren’t even a pens fan yourself. You probably are just some Canadian millennial dude that latched on to Crosby when you were younger and he’s been your hero ever since which causes you to have a glaring bias.
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WalterLundy
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great comment. Couldn’t agree more but just be careful calling me a pens fan because you’ll get a slew of people commenting to you that’ll just say I’m not a fan of a team I’ve followed for 47 years because I state the obvious about a player comparison. Thanks though!
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not happy in Edmonton with their lack of ability to address needs we all see? Lets see how quickly he signs a new contract after July 1st
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He most likely already peaked, he's still in his prime but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't reach 140 again and hovers around ~115 for the next few years.
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Almost every single post I've seen from you on this site throws shade at the "failure" that is Crosby. Why so much animosity for a guy who's lead your team to multiple Cups and basically saved your franchise? If you're actually a Penguins fan and not some Oilers/Capitals burner account, you've got us all fooled.
This sounds like a post made about Ovechkin during his questionable years over a decade ago.
I don't know what's going on with McDavid, but my guess is that he's saving himself for the playoffs this year.
As for the Crosby/McDavid comparisons, they are both top 10 players all-time already. It'll be easier to judge once McDavid is in his late 30s. But, for now, I'd put McDavid above Sid.
You seem to be forgetting that Crosby got his team to the SCF in 2009 with a better performance than McDavid's in 2024 without significant point shares with Malkin and with clearly inferior ES linemates. To be fair, McDavid's performance against the Stars was his best playoff series of his career, IMO, as he did it without Drai on his line and without the Oilers playing all out offense. His SCF was as good as Crosby's in 2008; a good one but not good enough to win. He didn't show up until it was too late in Game 3 and that lead it being too late in the series. Full marks to McDavid for getting the team within two games of the Cup with a great Game 5; the same thing that Crosby did on 2008.
To paint the 2016 Pens as winning despite Crosby's lower than expected production is one of the biggest fallacies on HF.
I'm sure the Oilers would love to rely on McDavid playing a well rounded game where they can put a career 3rd liner and an AHL callup who was terrible defensively on his line to create much needed depth as the Pens did 2016. That team was designed to roll three scoring lines so the HBK line could exploit 3rd lines and #2/#3 d-pairings. They were used exclusively for offence. It was as important that the other team's loaded #1 lines didn't score as it was for Crosby's line to score. Crosby notably stepped up in key games and key moments during that run and was the centrepiece of a team that was arguably the 2nd best Cup winner since the 2005 lockout.
After shaking off the effects of Mike Johnston's ill advised reigning in of the Pens offense in December 2015, Crosby proceeded to lead the lead in scoring the rest of the way that year, lead the World Cup in scoring, win the Rocket while leading in PPG for most of the year, add another Conn Smythe, and add another superstar level offensive performance in the 2018 playoffs.
Do you honestly think he forgot how to play elite offensive hockey during the 2016 playoffs?
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Counting only healthy seasons - this is actually worst than Crosby.
The first time Crosby finished worst than top 3 in a scoring race in a mostly healthy season was 2017-2018, his 13th season.
In contrast - this is only McDavid's 10th season.
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Looks like I struck a nerve here.
Look man, I do not care what you did or since when you started watching Pittsburgh games. I’ve seen both Video Nasty and Midnight Judges praise Crosby more than you do. So you’re either being really weird by downplaying the greatest player on your team in the 21st century that gave you 3 cups or you’re a troll trying to gain more credibility in your Crosby slander by acting like a Pens fan.
Either way, you lost credibility with your type of posting a while ago when it comes to Crosby/McDavid.
WalterLundy
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I’m genuinely unimpressed with him for offensive output by generational standards in single seasons. That’s where it ends. Malkin at his peak was better in my opinion, Jagr and Lemieux were also better. There isn’t any animosity because I’ve consistently said that Crosby is a deserving player in the 5-8 range all time. Someone who hates Crosby wouldn’t do that. Just because he isn’t as good as McDavid offensively and I have been able to be honest about his playoff performances doesn’t mean I hate the guy or can’t be realistic about his all time standing.
I hope I still don’t have you “fooled” after the picture attachment. Hundreds of programs and tickets like this.
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WalterLundy
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It just gets old being told you aren’t a fan because you don’t act or talk a certain way. It shouldn’t be a cult hive mind. I’m not downplaying him. He’s clear cut 5th-8th all time as a player I just have my criticisms of him. He’s not this untouchable player with no weaknesses as much as we act like he is. When compared to McDavid I tell the truth about the two (Crosby is better overall than the rest of the 21st century guys) and I also just am 100% honest about his playoff runs. You found yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time and I just wasn’t having it. It was a breaking point post.
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You’re not the only Pens fan who thinks McDavid is better than Crosby, as it’s a valid opinion. You’re the only one who comes in every thread to downplay Crosby every time he gets the chance though. You even called him a failed generational player, which is an insane claim in itself as a neutral fan, let alone as a Pens fan.
The injuries potentially robbed him of a 4-peat awards sweep from 2011-2014. Any player who missed significant time in his age 20,23,24,25 season is going to lack in hardware compared to players of similar caliber.
It’s why nobody can take your fandom seriously.
WalterLundy
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He wasn’t winning anything in 2012. When he was active Malkin was better. Crosby never was leading statistically in the spurts he was active in 2012. Giving him phantom awards that season is baseless and wrong to Malkin during his magnum opus season. Unless we only care about Crosby we can do that but I won’t. 2011 and 2013 are two extra Harts and Ross awards for sure though if he gets to play full seasons. Please actually read what I say man I said offensively as a generational talent in single seasons he “failed” not that he failed as a generational player overall. My goodness it’s not that hard.
I’m fully aware of what happened with unfortunate injuries he had…
From the full seasons we have to go by though he never had anything close to what was projected for him in 2011. I expected more. Am I wrong for that? I got to watch Mario Lemieux’s career and I had to hear that Crosby is the next Wayne Gretzky. I expected single season dominance on par or close with the big 4 and he did not deliver that. I expected him to put up at least 110 points per season in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017. He could have made up for what he lost out on at his absolute peak here for his trophy case. He did NOT do this though. I was rooting for him so hard to do so but it was a huge let down for me. He made up for it with overall solid playoff runs by his standards and two more cups. A lot of other people expected him to add to his trophy case making up for what he lost with big seasons in the 2014-2018 range well because of what we could have seen in 2011 and considering Crosby was still very much in his prime these seasons.
He made up for what I feel he lacks with everything else which is why I personally have him around 5TH ALL TIME. I don’t hate Sidney Crosby. He is an amazing player but if you took the time to understand my personal perspective and take off your own glasses you’d maybe see where I’m coming from. I get annoyed when I see Crosby gatekeeping on here so that’s where you see me jump in. It’s typically people jumping on McDavid because of insecurities pertaining to Crosby.
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Oh no, I misread failed generational player by failed generational offensive producer, which is still completely untrue given how Crosby completely blew the competition out of the water in his prime years in per-game production. You can spin it in all the ways you want, your behaviour is extremely strange as a Pens fan and you seemingly had completely unreasonable expectations for Crosby coming out of the gate. Hockey has changed and it is a much different game than it was in Lemieux and Gretzky’s time. Crosby was never going to put up Gretzky numbers, ever. You’re just lacking logic here.
Crosby’s career was sooooo frustrating to watch. He has only won everything there was to win, did it multiple times and will play on your “favorite team” for his whole career.
I now must go to a hockey board to complain he never scored 130 pts in a season and claim that X player is better than him every chance I get !!!
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Bruce Granville
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He has peaked. Losing in the finals but getting the Conn Smythe was a consolation prize for his career.
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Clear best player in the world sign if people are like “what’s wrong with you” and you’re scoring 1.4 p/pg and 5th in scoring
That poster pretends to be a Penguins fan. Pretty easy to put a Penguin logo in your profile
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