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What would you do with picks #16 & 17?

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StCaufield said:
McDavid is elite. You’re saying Jason Robertson is comparable to McDavid? Two or three years ago Montreal was one of the best 5v5 teams in the league and they were pathetic. Jason Robertson is one piece for the stars to be great 5v5. He’s not a magician that will automatically make Montreal really good 5v5. Dallas is amazing as a whole defensively where Montreal isn’t. Sure he’d probably help but it takes a lot more than 1 player to make a team great 5v5. Agree to disagree
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Three years ago was 2022, and Montreal was the worst team in the league. Before that they were one of the best 5v5 teams and made the Cup finals. And Montreal now actually has PP weapons.

McDavid is generational and when his career is said and done will likely be a top-5/10 player of all time. If your standard for elite is him, then not only will Montreal not have any elite players for the foreseeable future, they've arguably never had an elite forward ever.
 
Captain Mountain said:
Three years ago was 2022, and Montreal was the worst team in the league. Before that they were one of the best 5v5 teams and made the Cup finals. And Montreal now actually has PP weapons.

McDavid is generational and when his career is said and done will likely be a top-5/10 player of all time. If your standard for elite is him, then not only will Montreal not have any elite players for the foreseeable future, they've arguably never had an elite forward ever.
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Elite is the best players in the league. McDavid isn’t the undisputed best player in the league. Saying Robertson is elite is f***ing mind boggling.
 
StCaufield said:
You sound exactly like a delusional leafs fan. I’ve made my point and you made yours. You think Robertson is elite like MacKinnon or Makar and I think he isn’t. No point in continuing this
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Almost nobody has a the delusional definition of elite as you do and pretending they do doesn't make your position any more sane.

StCaufield said:
Yes. Are you brainwashed by Canadian sports media? Kucherov and MacKinnon are in the same sentence as McDavid. What are you 10?
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First of all, US sports media hypes McDavid even more than Canadian sports media.

Second of all, McDavid being the best player in the league is fan, media, players and management consensus. Do you have anything to support that he isn't beyond your personal opinion?
 
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Zalos said:
It seems like this must always be repeated... There's no reason to trade picks or prospects away for a 2C when we can just sign one on July 1st.

The picks should either be used to draft even more promising prospects for our rebuilding team or trade up in the draft to get a prospect with a higher potential. That's it.

There's no reason to rush anything else. Our team is crazy young. Too many impatient, armchair GMs in this thread.
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I dont know if I would call it impatient. We want a perennial contender over a long stretch of years and that didnt happen with Bergevin because he didnt get the team the needed critical pieces. We see the Leafs unable to take the next step and have squandered almost a decade with several star players. Teams like Buffalo just stay in the mud unable to get out, again squandering talent.

Its extremely unlikely to gather all the critical pieces through the draft and set up time for a window. Free Agent signings and trades will play key roles heer.

Right now we have 2 middle 1st prospects. In future they will likely be in the 20s , so their les valuable. Right now we have several good prospects due to having an abundance of picks including many in the top couple rounds. This will drop off. We have a young team but there are key guys that are veterans like Suzuki and Caulfield. No panic, but we do need to keep pushing so as not to end up like the Leafs and Sabres.
 
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StCaufield said:
No idea that he was 6’3. Caufield plays with more grit
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If you thought he was small, how would you know how much grit he plays with?

First thing that pops off the page when you see him is his size. Most scouting reports mention it.

If you watched him play at all, one of the first questions you’d ask yourself would be “how does he use that size?”
 
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yianik said:
I dont know if I would call it impatient. We want a perennial contender over a long stretch of years and that didnt happen with Bergevin because he didnt get the team the needed critical pieces. We see the Leafs unable to take the next step and have squandered almost a decade with several star players. Teams like Buffalo just stay in the mud unable to get out, again squandering talent.

Its extremely unlikely to gather all the critical pieces through the draft and set up time for a window. Free Agent signings and trades will play key roles heer.

Right now we have 2 middle 1st prospects. In future they will likely be in the 20s , so their les valuable. Right now we have several good prospects due to having an abundance of picks including many in the top couple rounds. This will drop off. We have a young team but there are key guys that are veterans like Suzuki and Caulfield. No panic, but we do need to keep pushing so as not to end up like the Leafs and Sabres.
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Yea, and if you want a perennial contender, you need patience. Next year will be the fourth year of the rebuild. We have just barely made the playoffs for the first time with this new core. Most players are 24 years old or younger. Demidov, who is most likely going to be our franchise player, has yet to play a full year in the league. Our future #1 goaltender isn't even ready to be in the NHL. Our D core is still super young. There's no reason to rush, like I said. More talent in the pipeline is great.

The reason the Leafs and Sabres haven't had success is because of the type of players and management they have. That's it. I'm confident in the core and the organization we have in Montreal now. We just need to give them time.
 
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Zalos said:
Yea, and if you want a perennial contender, you need patience. Next year will be the fourth year of the rebuild. We have just barely made the playoffs for the first time with this new core. Most players are 24 years old or younger. Demidov, who is most likely going to be our franchise player, has yet to play a full year in the league. Our future #1 goaltender isn't even ready to be in the NHL. Our D core is still super young. There's no reason to rush, like I said. More talent in the pipeline is great.

The reason the Leafs and Sabres haven't had success is because of the type of players and management they have. That's it. I'm confident in the core and the organization we have in Montreal now. We just need to give them time.
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They have time. I dont think anybody is saying its do or die this year. But we shouldnt wait for 2 years to see if we develop a 2C. They need to be looking now. If they cant find a long term solution then a temporary one because Demidov needs a good C
 
DAChampion said:
Keep both picks unless a great trade is available.
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For some reason, I think they move up a bit............they spoke to a ton of kids, who are going to go much earlier than 16-17......
I think there are many balls in the air for the habs. Hughes loves to use the draft for some deals also......
 
BLONG7 said:
For some reason, I think they move up a bit............they spoke to a ton of kids, who are going to go much earlier than 16-17......
I think there are many balls in the air for the habs. Hughes loves to use the draft for some deals also......
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D'amico says they are hot for Martone or Mrtka. That would probably mean moving up quite a bit. If they can get to 8-10 they should be able to get one of them. If they are both gone then one of the centres fell so take him.


Personally I would be ok with any of those choices except moving down.
 
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Zalos said:
Donato, Bennett, or Granlund. Could also see Ehlers if we go for a winger instead. I mainly care about Demidov getting some help at 5v5.

If none of them are interested, then I'd just move on to next season and hope Dach and Laine don't get injured. Bid our time.

We stacked draft picks for this rebuild, and we should draft players with them. The rebuild is not over. You never know how mid-round 1 draft picks will turn out. There have been quite a few stars drafted there over the decades.
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Donato isn't going to shoot 17% forever lol, he's not a solution at 2C. Bennett is going to cost 10M and suddenly get called for shit as soon as he's off Florida so that's a non-starter. Granlund is also not good beyond point production and would get caved in defensively.

We need a legitimate solution or a defensively sound C to go along with Demidov and another star winger.
 
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26Mats said:
Which early pick?

But from what I understand you're saying, I think we're ombthe same page. The problem now is, I don't see us being able to add a core piece, and especially a center, without giving up a core piece (Slaf, Suzuki, Caufield, Demidov, Hage, Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle, Fowler). As I see it teams won't give us a core piece for mid firsts and b prospects, and Matheson. Maybe we get that future 2c for Hage or Fowler. Maybe. Butaybe even that isn't enough.

I think our best hope is the 15th amd 16th picks, and even better moving up in the draft. But I don't have all the informational jd vision HuGo have. We'll see what they come up with...
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The problem with the Habs is they never draft a top 6 center, except for Koivu and Plekanec. If you don't try, you wont get one I could say. They missed Getzlaf, Carter, Kopitar, Bergeron and Giroux. I know it was previous gms and the actual management could do something to get a top 6 C. I hope it will change. This year is good from 1 to 7 and maybe a future C is there, C are a rare breed, it don't come easy as Ringo would say.
 
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Just like BPA is really "don't blow it," the current situation is much more "don't make a bad decision" then "you have to trade the picks." Toronto fans and media always pushed the team to do dumb stuff, they had to trade picks and prospects for whatever to show they were intent on winning and it blew up on them. GMs who know they won't be around long if they don't win are death on competitive teams because they ignore the long term completely.

Good teams take deals if they come, and always make competitive bids when very good players become available, because it doesn't happen often. Good teams also don't trade picks or players just to look like they are doing something.

Whatever they do there is a good chance it won't work out, just like Dach or Newhook, but if they make a move there has to be upside. You can't win them all, but you have to end up in a better place when you count up your transactions.
 
BLONG7 said:
His best season was what 50 pts????????? Let someone else overpay this clown. He will not age well.
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Bennett will not be cheap, we all know that. For this reason, he's not my favorite choice. I would go for a cheaper solution good for 2-4 seasons when Hage will mature and take the #2 spot. I tend to go for younger players too. The short term fix at 2c could be an old player.
 
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Beendair Donedat said:
Some of you guys are over analyzing it… it’s a what would you do scenario.

If we’re keeping the picks, and not moving up - I’d draft Carter Bear and Justin Carbonneau.

The only thing that allows us to get to Bear at this spot is his Achilles insert. He’s an elite talent with a high end motor. Bear looks to have recovered from his injury, and his interviews and play style scream character. Driven to win, plays with an edge, always moving, scores goals in droves. He may be one of the best picks of the first round if his trajectory keeps rising.

Carbonneau is the second best right wing prospect in the draft behind Martone and I don’t think he’s that far behind. He has great size, plays physical, and has elite offensive skills. Needs to work on his defensive game (as most young guys do), but overall I could see him as a guy who scores 30 a year, and doesn’t back down from the physical battles in a long playoff run.
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Good plan but Bear won’t be available at 16.
 
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