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What would you do with picks #16 & 17?

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I voted immediate help at C, presuming there's one available for the cost of those picks. As much as we don't have to rush things, its important to secure 2 top6 Cs and not leave it to a gamble on a reclamation project or an old vet. Pay the price now and the team structure starts to fall into place.

-the bottom 6 becomes even stronger
-Demidov/Laine are better insulated
-Suzuki line gets relief of defensive opponents
-Allows other moves to happen if/when the team shows its ready to contend. Essentially its putting us on deck to contend
 
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Looking at the market, I don't think we'll find one we really want with these picks, and we're still not contenders. I'm ok making the picks and seeing what they become/trading them as future prospects for a core run
 
Maybe there's some weird subconscious bias happening for me but it feels like there's really only 17 or 18 players I'd even care to draft at those slots (or...almost at all lol). Scouts are gonna earn their keep on this draft, because it looks wildly weak past those 18 slots to me
 
I think you have to trade up for one or both of the picks to grab Bear or Mrtka or Martin or something.

Getting the guys likely available at 16-17 won't help our current prospect pool imo. Everyone in that range is meh and has huge questions imo.

Or get an NHL Player that fits a need if such a thing is available.
 
waitin425 said:
Chose that I would trade for a centre. But, I would also trade for a D. And, I would also keep both picks. And, I would also want to move up. I am open to anything on that list.

What I want......

Trade both picks for Sidney Crosby or Noah Dobson, or split the picks to acquire both.

If that option isn't available....

Sign a UFA centre and UFA defencemen. Bennett and Ekblad come on down.

If that isn't available..........

Explore other trade options with a combination of the picks.

I really don't care. There are +'s with every scenario.
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What kind of center would they get using both picks? If packaged, they’d still have to cough up something significant or end up landing another milquetoast like Newhook only to find out later that he’s not good enough for the top 6 and not enough of a physical specimen for the bottom 6. 💀

Is Newhook a center? Maybe he is sometimes but most of the time he’s not. But thank goodness he’s a Quartexx quality human being. 💀

Given how thin this draft is and the trading value of the 16-17th is likely to be discounted so why even bother using the picks in a trade?
 
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I would do what's best for business.

I don't necessarily go to work planning to take a shit. But if I have to, I will.

Provided it's what's best for business.

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I can’t really vote because we don’t know what players are available in trade and we don’t know who will be available come the draft.

There may be some player who gets traded that comes out of left field like the Sergachev trade last summer. Also the young players who have their names floating around are they really available?

I think that the rebuild is not over yet. Keep on accumulating assets and look for a stop gap second line centre and second pair RHD.

This is how I feel the draft will go;

Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Desnoyers, Martin, Frondell, Smith, Hagens, O’Brien, Mrtka, Eklund will all be taken before 16. That’s 11 players right there. McQueen I am very tempted to put in that group but with his injury history he may fall but I can’t see him falling to #16.

That leaves a group of;

Bear, Reschny, Aitcheson, Hensler, Cootes, Zonnon, Carbonneau, Lakovic, Spence, Fiddler, Potter

The Habs would get two of those players. They are great players to build with.

It’s better to accumulate assets and have the ability to bring in rookies on ELCs for when the Habs will be a contending team. Plus prospects carry lots of value in trades.
 
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My 2 cents:

- On the one hand, it seems unlikely to know what we can get for the 1sts. That has to be blown for whether I would trade the picks, as well as an understanding of what the players potentially available would likely become.

- having said that, it seems more likely that we could get potential core pieces through the draft than by trading the 1sts yet without giving up a core piece in return (slaf, Caufield, Suzuki, demidov, Reinbacher, Hutson, Guhle).

- So from that perspective: keep the picks. Try to sign a vet stop gap 2c to a 2 year deal.
 
Runner77 said:
What kind of center would they get using both picks? If packaged, they’d still have to cough up something significant or end up landing another milquetoast like Newhook only to find out later that he’s not good enough for the top 6 and not enough of a physical specimen for the bottom 6. 💀

Is Newhook a center? Maybe he is sometimes but most of the time he’s not. But thank goodness he’s a Quartexx quality human being. 💀

Given how thin this draft is and the trading value of the 16-17th is likely to be discounted so why even bother using the picks in a trade?
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The picks would be used in a package. The package varies on the player.

Crosby
EP40
Barzal
Some other really cool centre who i haven't even thought of.

I don't know anymore.

Go the UFA route and sign a centre...Bennett? Sign Ekblad as well.

Keep the picks for a long term pipeline.

The nice thing Runner....is that we have flexibility. I really don't care what we do, I just would love to see a 2C and RD
 
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Trade 1st + other draft capital to move up for player they cover

Trade other 1st to move down and add 1st next year

End up with 8-12 range & 25-30 range picks this year while adding a 1st next year
 
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Miller Time said:
Trade 1st + other draft capital to move up for player they cover

Trade other 1st to move down and add 1st next year

End up with 8-12 range & 25-30 range picks this year while adding a 1st next year
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Aaaaand who the hell in the 25-32 range who is essentially a deep playoff team is going to trade a FIRST Round pick NEXT year to US for a non top10 pick THIS year lol...

Those teams usually save their 1sts to trade for *next* years TDL btw.
 
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The very first thing Hughes should aim for is to trade one or both of the picks for a 2C. Sadly, this seems like it won't be possible considering there's an abundance of teams having the very same need.

If trading for a 2C proves to be impossible, what Hughes needs to aim for is to trade up one or both of the picks in the top 14. It really sucks, but there's a drop at 14-15 and unless there's a reach we will be coming out of the draft with two good but underwhelming picks. A top 14 pick is absolutely needed. Fortunately, we have a many second and third round picks as well as many B prospects we can leverage. To me this looks like the most probable plan at the draft and what I expect to happen.

In the unfortunate event we can't neither trade for a 2C or trade up, then I think we should keep one of the two and trade the other one down to snatch one more 2nd or 3rd round pick. This could be helpful to trade up once again to get a third first round pick.

If no trade is possible then we need to hope at least one of the top 14 players drops. That would be the best of the worst outcomes. Otherwise,.I would probably be fine/happy with the picks, but underwhelmed.
 
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In this year's draft, you want to move up....but every team thinks so too. Yet, you hope that an offer for both picks and 2nd rounders is enough to move up a few spots. 16 and 41 to move up. 17 and 49 to move up again. Or if 49 is too far...offer 17 and next year's 2nd rounder. Teams might bet that we wouldn't be as strong next year.

Hopefull both moves means at least 2 picks between 10-12. To me, this year, it's insanely worth it. After 12...stay put or move to next year. Next year will be stronger.....though...we often say that till we realize it won't be...lol
 
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Aaaaand who the hell in the 25-32 range who is essentially a deep playoff team is going to trade a FIRST Round pick NEXT year to US for a non top10 pick THIS year lol...

Those teams usually save their 1sts to trade for *next* years TDL btw.
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Chicago owns 25OA, and has the Panthers 1st on top of their own next year.

Flames & Sharks are in similar situations & also own 2*1sts next year, with the extra pick being from a team very unlikely to be in the lottery next year.

If any of them see someone at 16/17 that they feel bullish on/had rated much higher, giving up a likely later 1st next year to move up and get the player they want now is not a particularly unlikely scenario.

With how wide open the ~10-20 of this draft is, won't be surprising if a team gets eager because a player they had rated to go off the board early is still there in the mid-teems.

In fact, wether or not we're the partner, I'd say there's a pretty good chance we see one of them do just that.

(& Before getting so excited, might want to actually know who owns the picks lol... Most of the picks 25-32, 5 of 7, this year are owned by non playoff teams :teach:)
 
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BenchBrawl said:
So? Gotta give to receive.

Desnoyers is the next Toews.
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No guarantee of this. In any case, the Habs need to go for an established player. Wasting assets on moving up for an unknown is not the right move imo.
 
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