What would ya'll give grade for us at the deadline now?

[BeLeafing]

Dubas needed to bring in the best players available. This he did not do. And for that reason he gets an F.

Does ROR not exist?

 

[wingman75]

Made significant change to the meat of the team. Amazing to see six new skaters join a team at or near the deadline and change the essence of the team.

They have 20 games to gel, and figure out the combinations that will work the best.

I didn't take away any marks for the GM not bringing in a player they were never considering (i.e. goaltender).

The pressure is clearly on the core, not that it wasn't before, but we are at another level now. Wondering how much influence ole'Spez had in driving this clear pivot to the makeup of the bottom 6.

 

[al secord]

Not this tizmizle cause all of the options is out the hizzle you digzizle?

No thizang but a chicken wazang sire.

Does ROR not exist?

Apparently if it's not done on TSN irrelevance day, it didn't happen

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Does ROR not exist?

A 3C, because that is where he will almost certainly be playing, is not good enough, no.

Hockey is a strong link game. The stars drive the results. O'Reilly is a shell of his former self and far from removed from elite player status.

But he has name recognition and wide appeal to the fans......

 

[NateTheGreat]

As a fan of a contending team who did next to nothing at the deadline , I am quite jealous. Dubas gets an A.

My best friend is a Leafs fan and we usually watch playoffs together. From a neutral fans perspective, I’d have to say this is your scariest roster yet. Leafs are my pick to win the cup.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Started off strong but not sure the changes move the playoff needle

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Not this tizmizle cause all of the options is out the hizzle you digzizle?

OOOOHHHHH

 

[Smif]

At minimal it's a D for Disappointing.

I hate to be a Negative Nancy, but this isn't good enough.

I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

There is no rhyme or reason to this madness. Dubas went bananas over the trade smorgasbord and brought back a little something for everyone. The result: a higgledy piggledy mess that resembles no signs of being pre-planned in any way.

Let lone thought about much at all.

Whatever is Dubas going to do with all those defensemen? Trading the wimpy Engvall for the one man wrecking crew Luke Schenn makes sense. If there weren't already eight other defensemen on the team.

It's a repeat of the 2021 deadline disaster all over again.

These guys are good players, sure. But not difference makers. Incremental improvements at the bottom of the roster isn't good enough.

Dubas needed to bring in the best players available. This he did not do. And for that reason he gets an F.

He FAILED.

I don't know how you don't consider ROR a difference maker.

Also, the McCabe and Lafferty acquisitions were solid for this run and next year. McCabe at $2M is one of the best contracts in the league now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The ONLY thing I'm dissapointed in is he didn't call up Vancouver because I don't know what the f*** they are doing, if you are going to both get better and recoup assets like like you did with Washington, you might have been able to pry that NYI 1st away fairly easy too.

Look I'm for going all in, I wanted this for years but that owner in Vancouver is an idiot I wish Kyle had taken advantage of that.

And yes I do think the owner is the problem

 

[Confucius]

The team may be tougher but I Had to give a D, it was a terrible year to go allin. Gave away a a couple of 1sts to win a round and even that will be a coin flip, AGAIN.

 

[Buds17]

The ONLY thing I'm dissapointed in is he didn't call up Vancouver because I don't know what the f*** they are doing, if you are going to both get better and recoup assets like like you did with Washington, you might have been able to pry that NYI 1st away fairly easy too.

Look I'm for going all in, I wanted this for years but that owner in Vancouver is an idiot I wish Kyle had taken advantage of that.

And yes I do think the owner is the problem

Vancouver moved that NYI 1st to Detroit earlier this week in the trade for Hronek. Vancouver might also have preferred Hronek (RHD, better offensively) to Sandin. It appears as though the Leafs even value Gustafsson too.

 

[TheRumble]

Going trade by trade:

O'Reilly + Acciari - I like them both so far a lot. However they did cost a lot and unless at least ROR re-signs, it's a big price for a rental. There's no indication that either will re-sign right now so right now it stands as a solid B.

McCabe + Lafferty - McCabe had a rough start to his Leaf tenure vs Edmonton but I thought he was great vs Calgary. They put on a masterclass of defensive hockey in the third on the second night of a back to back while on the road vs a team that had been beating them all night. Lafferty I haven't watched too closely so TBD on that. This trade also cost a lot in terms of futures but both players are under team control for an additional year. I'm giving this an B with potential for upgrade depending on how well Lafferty does.

Sandin for Erik Gustafsson and a 1st - Based on Dubas' press conference today, he said that Gus was an insurance policy in case Rielly gets injured and the 1st he plans on using during the draft or potentially trading it in the off season. I give this trade a D. Trading Sandin I understand, I'm sad to see him go but I do get it. The return makes 0 sense given that this team was making trades to Win Now. Using a 50 point offensive dman as a 7th D at best is a waste of a good asset. Caps fans say he's actually a lot better defensively than given credit for, we'll probably never really know since he'll never really get significant minutes on the team unless Rielly gets injured. The 1st is something that doesn't help us win now at all. I rather would have just used Sandin as a 7th D for the remainder of the season and traded him in the off season if this was the case.

Schenn for a 3rd - Leaning towards a D but I'll bump it p to a C-. Here's why I have a major issue with this trade. We already had EIGHT NHL defensemen prior to making this trade: Rielly, Gus, Giordano, McCabe and Liljegren, Holl, Brodie, Timmins. Benn is arguably still an NHL defensemen as well so you could debatably make it NINE dmen. I don't see the point in adding Schenn who fills much of the same roll that McCabe already plays but on the right side. It's also worthy to note that Brodie and McCabe are two defensemen that can play both left and right.

Engvall for a 3rd - F pending how Knies turns out. Probably the one that this board is gonna disagree with me on the most but here's my stance: I know we traded Engvall for cap reasons so we could get Schenn and make room for Knies. My question is why? Engvall is an everyday player on most teams even if he's a flawed player that everyone is angry with because he's 6'5 and doesn't play like prime Eric Lindros. He still makes the Bottom 6 better having nobody on it. We had a bottom 6 of Accarci, Lafferty, Kerfoot, Kampf, potentially ROR if needed, Jarmkrok, Engvall, ZAR. Engvall being taken out of that equation was unnecessary if we traded 1 of our TEN defensemen instead of him. You still could have rolled out that Bottom 6 and given Knies a shot at the end of the season if you had traded Holl or flipped Gus. Now you still have nine NHL defensemen and nine options on the bottom six. Instead we traded an everyday player and are betting on Knies to just slot into the lineup and rake. If Knies isn't ready and has to be taken out, our backup plan is what? Holmberg? McMann? It was a completely unnecessary gamble to make.

Overall, C. Bump up to a B if Knies comes as advertised.

 

[Its not your fault]

I'm shocked Dubas didn't make any more trades. We have too many defencemen.

Also, the Sandin move was pointless unless Dubas feels that we couldn't get the same offer in the offseason or next season.

I thought the Boston 1st or Gus or Holl or Kerfoot would have been flipped for a more complete roster.

With so many defencemen, I don't know why we're keeping Holl as a rental. Kerfoot also makes no sense, he really doesn't bring much to the table. If we had to move one, I probably would have preferred moving Kerfoot before Engvall (thought they both needed to go IMO).

He asked for a trade so post has less points then The merits to the trade sorry.

 

[Divine]

He asked for a trade so post has less points then The merits to the trade sorry.

Mikheyev asked for a trade also and Dubas never traded him.

 

[Its not your fault]

Mikheyev asked for a trade also and Dubas never traded him.

They the same player? Or different player different circumstances different trade offers different needs.

 

[Divine]

They the same player? Or different player different circumstances different trade offers different needs.

The same circumstance.

You do not have to trade a player just because they asked, especially when they have another year left on their contract.

Chychrun asked for a trade last year, Arizona traded him this year. Puljujarvi asked for 4 years ago, Edmonton just traded him. Logan Stanley asked for a trade, he's still in Winnipeg.

You don't have to trade a player the moment they ask, crazy right?

 

[Its not your fault]

The same circumstance.

You do not have to trade a player just because they asked, especially when they have another year left on their contract.

Chychrun asked for a trade last year, Arizona traded him this year. Puljujarvi asked for 4 years ago, Edmonton just traded him. Logan Stanley asked for a trade, he's still in Winnipeg.

You don't have to trade a player the moment they ask, crazy right?

Wasn't even the same year. Lol

The same circumstance.

You do not have to trade a player just because they asked, especially when they have another year left on their contract.

Chychrun asked for a trade last year, Arizona traded him this year. Puljujarvi asked for 4 years ago, Edmonton just traded him. Logan Stanley asked for a trade, he's still in Winnipeg.

You don't have to trade a player the moment they ask, crazy right?

When did I say they had to trade them you're playing make believe and making up stuff. Because you didn't like my answer heck one had term with us too. If anything I was on the side of you don't have to trade players lol

 

[Divine]

Wasn't even the same year. Lol


When did I say they had to trade them you're playing make believe and making up stuff. Because you didn't like my answer heck one had term with us too. If anything I was on the side of you don't have to trade players lol

Exactly, he didn't have to trade Sandin.

So no reason to make that trade unless he felt this was the best offer he was ever going to get for him. I doubt that would be the case, he could have traded him in the summer for better probably. We literally got Boston's first which is guaranteed to be 28+, basically a second round pick.

Highly doubt that is his peak value, we also acquired a rental that we wouldn't need should we have not traded him.

That's the one trade that makes no sense to me. Had Dubas known he can flip Gus or the first and acquire more useful assets right now, then the trade made sense, but to sit on that trade and do nothing makes it a bad trade in my opinion.

 

[Its not your fault]

Exactly, he didn't have to trade Sandin.

So no reason to make that trade unless he felt this was the best offer he was ever going to get for him. I doubt that would be the case, he could have traded him in the summer for better probably. We literally got Boston's first which is guaranteed to be 28+.

Highly doubt that is his peak value, we also acquired a rental that we wouldn't need should we have not traded him.

That's the one trade that makes no sense to me. Had Dubas known he can flip Gus or the first and acquire more useful assets right now, then the trade made sense, but to sit on that trade and do nothing makes it a bad trade in my opinion.

I'm not reading that but no development happens for someone that has 9 other players taking playing time.

Exactly, he didn't have to trade Sandin.

So no reason to make that trade unless he felt this was the best offer he was ever going to get for him. I doubt that would be the case, he could have traded him in the summer for better probably. We literally got Boston's first which is guaranteed to be 28+, basically a second round pick.

Highly doubt that is his peak value, we also acquired a rental that we wouldn't need should we have not traded him.

That's the one trade that makes no sense to me. Had Dubas known he can flip Gus or the first and acquire more useful assets right now, then the trade made sense, but to sit on that trade and do nothing makes it a bad trade in my opinion.

Never did I again say he had to trade them. Stop hoping I say something I havnt.

 

[Divine]

Never did I again say he had to trade them. Stop hoping I say something I havnt.

He asked for a trade so post has less points then The merits to the trade sorry.

What does this even mean then?

I thought you said he asked for a trade so there was merit in trading him. Yet, now you're saying we didn't need to trade him... so why is there merit?

 

[Its not your fault]

What does this even mean then?

I thought you said he asked for a trade so there was merit in trading him. Yet, now you're saying we didn't need to to trade him... so why is there merit?

Yah absolutely umm you must, there's no way you can't. Totally must. The guys holding out. None of which I said. Again that's your mind forming this conclusion.
I also said he had term lol but you also didn't listen you also can't fathom someone knowing someone asked for trade and then being traded is kinda how it works. And yup sometimes they don't get traded. In this case they did the case we are talking about.


Merits meaning the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.

deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention).
"the results have been encouraging enough to merit further investigation"

I would think he played well enough to be reward with a trade for playing time. Not sure what merit means too you.
Also didn't bring in outside names to this conversation We are talking about Sandin not other hockey players. People tend to do this when they know they missed the point.

 

[kb]

Solid B+.

ROR, McCabe, and Sandin trades were B+, A, and A- respectively.

Engvall was an F. Schenn was a C.

I think that just boiled down to playoff performance.

The Leafs needed to clear one contract (or more) totaling more than $2.25 million to be able to activate Murray off LTIR and leave signing room for Knies.

Engvall had 0 G and 4 pts in 17 playoff games, while Kerfoot has 2G and 11 pts in 19 games.

 

[Divine]

Yah absolutely umm you must, there's no way you can't. Totally must. The guys holding out. None of which I said. Again that's your mind forming this conclusion.
I also said he had term lol but you also didn't listen you also can't fathom someone knowing someone asked for trade and then being traded is kinda how it works. And yup sometimes they don't get traded. In this case they did the case we are talking about.


Merits meaning the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.

deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention).
"the results have been encouraging enough to merit further investigation"

I would think he played well enough to be reward with a trade for playing time. Not sure what merit means too you.
Also didn't bring in outside names to this conversation We are talking about Sandin not other hockey players. People tend to do this when they know they missed the point.

You’re right. We can’t bring in other players in a hockey forum as comparables.

Sandin didn’t need to be traded. It was a bad trade. Glad we’re on the same page.

 

[Its not your fault]

You’re right. We can’t bring in other players in a hockey forum as comparables.

Sandin didn’t need to be traded. It was a bad trade. Glad we’re on the same page.

How did you make up words again that I didn't say? Why do you need my acceptance so bad lol.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

It's either an A or F.

A if you think spending futures in an effort to win the cup this year is a good idea.

F if you think that considering our path to the finals we'd have been better off waiting until next year.

I predict that many people will change their votes from A to F if we don't make it to the finals.

I'm going to be an optimist and say A. This is our year baby. First we beat TB to get that monkey off our backs, then we beat Boston to get that monkey off our backs, then with no monkeys left on our backs we will crush everyone else in our way and bring the cup back where it belongs.

GLG!!

You must be new (kidding). Leafs will beat Tampa and Boston then find a way to lose to some bottom feeder that squeaked through. That’s how we work. LOL