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Reports came out afterwards that Detroit was one of the top destinations that Q Hughes wanted to get traded to a few months ago. Apparently Yzerman refused to pull the trigger because he valued Simon Edvidsson too much and Edvidsson was the player the Canucks were targeting.

Minny then swooped in and the rest is history.

I wanted to gauge what a trade to Detroit would have looked like if the price was similar to what Minny paid.

1st round pick (24th overall), Buium, Rossi, Ohgren


Edvidsson , + + +?
 
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Evindsson, I can see the hesitation of giving up 6’6 200+ lb Dman for a 5’10 guy when you also have ASP who is slight below average size for nhl D. But, Van didn’t want to take back ASP.
 
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Not edvinsson lmao.

Some combo of 2 of Bear/ASP/Danielson/MBN/Cossa/Augustine/Kasper/1st -->Buium+Rossi

Maybe some sweeteners depending on which 2 it was.



Buchelnikov+1st --> 1st+Ohgren
 
KaprizovSaveUs said:
Ed, Danielsson, Roster player and a 1st probably
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Prefer the Minny trade over that.

Dont think Red Wings have a roster player like Rossi who is a 24 yr old C that can probably be flipped for a 1st rounder in the future.

ED and Buium
1st and 1st
Danielsson- Ohgren

I guess those can cancel eachother out. That leaves Rossi. Who would Detroit have been able to offer to match Rossi?
 
UrbanImpact said:
Prefer the Minny trade over that.

Dont think Red Wings have a roster player like Rossi who is a 24 yr old C that can probably be flipped for a 1st rounder in the future.

ED and Buium
1st and 1st
Danielsson- Ohgren

I guess those can cancel eachother out. That leaves Rossi. Who would Detroit have been able to offer to match Rossi?
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Those certainly do not cancel eachother out lmao.

There is significantly more value coming from det there.
 
dgibb10 said:
Edvinsson=non expendable core. Those don't get moved.

Hence why when you look at what Minnesota gave up, it wasn't Faber.
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There should be no such thing as a non expendable core when youre receiving a Norris Winning Dman in the middle of his prime.


Faber not being moved to Van could be other factors like Canucks already have Hronek and Willander on the RD.
 
dgibb10 said:
Those certainly do not cancel eachother out lmao.

There is significantly more value coming from det there.
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Disagree, Buium at 20 yrs old looks way better than Ed did at 20.

Are you big on Danielsson? Not that im huge on Ohgren but i definitely dont see a significant difference in value.

but your value of the Detroit players seems to align with how Yzerman saw it.
 
UrbanImpact said:
There should be no such thing as a non expendable core when youre receiving a Norris Winning Dman in the middle of his prime.


Faber not being moved to Van could be other factors like Canucks already have Hronek and Willander on the RD.
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Nope, you don't move from your core unless they request a trade. Because then you need to go out and hope another core piece comes along, either with a trade request (because again, teams don't trade core pieces unless they demand out or won't resign), or the draft.

You can always find the value elsewhere.

Minnesota traded exclusively expendable pieces for Quinn Hughes.

They traded a PPQB who no longer had a PP to run (and was going to be sent to the AHL if they didn't include him), a guy with 0 points on the year, a 1st, and a guy in rossi who they spent the offseason trying to trade away already.
 
Keith Gave, who has covered the Red Wings for decades has suggested Detroit's offer was acceptable to Vancouver, but Yzerman wouldn't make the deal because he couldn't get a wink-wink, nudge-nudge agreement on a contract extension.

Gave is a legit source, and some are obviously miffed that Yzerman wouldn't YOLO it like Bill Guerin.
 
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dgibb10 said:
Not edvinsson lmao.

Some combo of 2 of Bear/ASP/Danielson/MBN/Cossa/Augustine/Kasper/1st -->Buium+Rossi

Maybe some sweeteners depending on which 2 it was.



Buchelnikov+1st --> 1st+Ohgren
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Without Ed, can see why Van wasn't sending Quinn to Det. Smart of them to have waited and have Minny jump in with their offer.
 
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dgibb10 said:
Nope, you don't move from your core unless they request a trade. Because then you need to go out and hope another core piece comes along, either with a trade request (because again, teams don't trade core pieces unless they demand out or won't resign), or the draft.

You can always find the value elsewhere.

Minnesota traded exclusively expendable pieces for Quinn Hughes.

They traded a PPQB who no longer had a PP to run (and was going to be sent to the AHL if they didn't include him), a guy with 0 points on the year, a 1st, and a guy in rossi who they spent the offseason trying to trade away already.
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You dont move from your core has been Yzermans downfall for a decade.


You absoloutely move anyone for a 26 yr old Top Dman in the world.


Get an all world player in his prime and surround him vs draft a young core and hope they pan out?

Thats an easy decision, especially considering Quinn wanted to go to Detroit and has insane amount of ties to Michigan.
 
UrbanImpact said:
Disagree, Buium at 20 yrs old looks way better than Ed did at 20.

Are you big on Danielsson? Not that im huge on Ohgren but i definitely dont see a significant difference in value.

but your value of the Detroit players seems to align with how Yzerman saw it.
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Edvinsson is a 1st pairing dman who plays some of the toughest minutes in the league.

Buium had struggled in sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and was underwhelming at what was supposed to be his key value point, running the PP.

Buium aligns with ASP more
 
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UrbanImpact said:
You dont move from your core has been Yzermans downfall for a decade.


You absoloutely move anyone for a 26 yr old Top Dman in the world.


Get an all world player in his prime and surround him vs draft a young core and hope they pan out?

Thats an easy decision, especially considering Quinn wanted to go to Detroit and has insane amount of ties to Michigan.
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You don't move from your core.

Yzerman should have made the deal without commitment on an extension maybe, but that deal would not have had edvinsson in it.

You don't move from your core when you don't have to.

You have all of Danielson, Kasper, 1sts, MBN, Bear, the goalies, ASP, etc as non core pieces to trade. Use them.

Minnesota didn't move anyone from their core to get quinn.
 
My3Sons said:
Wasn’t there a report that Detroit had agreed to some sort of trade but passed when Quinn’s agent would not commit to any sort of extension with anyone?
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That would also not be Enforceable if Hughes said yes but later rereigned on it.

Like Minny, kind of has to be a leap of faith since only signed contracts are enforceable, not verbal commitments.
 
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