What to do with Morgan Rielly - TSN: Cut from squad.
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Bomber0104
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Crispy Crust
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If he sees one minute of ice time on Saturday, his potential will go down 3 levels.
Leaf Army
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Send him down now. I think he'll start the season with us. But he shouldn't.
This is an 18 year old defenceman who hasn't even played a full season of junior hockey yet.
He shouldn't even get a sniff of the NHL this year. He'd probably do okay but not the right thing for his long term development.
This is an 18 year old defenceman who hasn't even played a full season of junior hockey yet.
He shouldn't even get a sniff of the NHL this year. He'd probably do okay but not the right thing for his long term development.
I would trade him. I think he's overhyped. His performance on the loosing Canadian team at the world juniors was disappointing. He's somewhat porous on not very physical on D so I am not sure on his long-term value is. Might as well trade him while he's overhyped. I think we wasted a 5th overall pick on this guy.
Leaf Army
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Here's the thing with 18 year old players making the league.
In a lot of ways they're ready. They're pumped full of adrenaline all season long, and often do well. They can play in the league, there's no doubt about that.
But the problems start three or four years later. We saw it with Schenn and a bunch of other players around the league. All of sudden they are now 21 or 22 years old. The age when most guys are just breaking into the league. But they now have a big new contract and are looked at as veterans. And people start expecting more out of them but they don't have much more to give yet. And because of the extra money and responsibility they have twice as many distractions.
The pressure at that point becomes too much too soon.
Keep the kid in junior hockey and let him develop where he belongs.
In a lot of ways they're ready. They're pumped full of adrenaline all season long, and often do well. They can play in the league, there's no doubt about that.
But the problems start three or four years later. We saw it with Schenn and a bunch of other players around the league. All of sudden they are now 21 or 22 years old. The age when most guys are just breaking into the league. But they now have a big new contract and are looked at as veterans. And people start expecting more out of them but they don't have much more to give yet. And because of the extra money and responsibility they have twice as many distractions.
The pressure at that point becomes too much too soon.
Keep the kid in junior hockey and let him develop where he belongs.
pretty much agree. he should go down because i doubt he can help the team win right now. as for his long term development, it makes no difference where he plays the rest of this season.
same question year after year, just different names.
God forbid he has the rest of the year and summer to realize what life playing pro hockey is all about. And, hanging around great coaching, great players, great facilities, that will ruin him for sure!
I have this visual of a guy passed out on the floor with drool hanging off his lip.
Leaf Army
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Not so sure about that. Guys who break into the league at 18 have huge amounts of pressure on them at a young age.
- Patrick Kane is 24 and has had two consecutive years of downward production
- Sam Gagner's highest production was his rookie season
- Zach Bogosian has had an uneven start to his career
- Luke Schenn had enormous amounts of pressure on him in Toronto for a 22 year old
- Nikita Filatov has 6 career NHL goals and 4 of them were scored in his first 8 games. Now out of the league
- Cam Fowler had a 40 point rookie season then 29 the year after
- Josh Bailey hasn't developed much past his first year
- Jeff Skinner saw his production drop in his second year
Outside of the top two or three picks, the long term outlook for 18 year olds kept in the league recently hasn't been real strong. They do well at first but then stop developing.
Leaf Army
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Actually after looking up a bunch of players (outside of the elite top two pick kind of guys) I can't find many 18 year olds who progressed naturally in the NHL and got better year after year.
Most of them have their best years right off the bat and then regress.
Give him one, maybe 2 games then send him down regardless of play. Staying in the minors never hurt anyone.
lmao wtf at those saying dont even give him games.
He already looks good to me, give him the 5 game taste then send him down. I can easily see him making the team full time next year, he's definitely physically ready.
I dont see how 5 games can do anything but good for him, you want to make theses guys hungry to become better.
He already looks good to me, give him the 5 game taste then send him down. I can easily see him making the team full time next year, he's definitely physically ready.
I dont see how 5 games can do anything but good for him, you want to make theses guys hungry to become better.
Send him down. He missed nearly the entire season last year. Give him a full season with Moose Jaw. Playing for Team Canada and maybe a sniff with the Leafs for a few games will bode well for his development.
KuleminFan41
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If he does well, stay. People want kids to play so why not Rielly? I'd play him IF he deserves it.
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Skinner had a concussion
Fowler was playing on the Ducks, entire team down year.
Filatov is of a different nature, he felt self entitled, never made his mind up,whined and didnt have the type of composure to last in NA. had like 3 good games in the NHL in total, terrible example to use against it. Awful development by CBJ
Kane is a bad example,players like him have up and down years, last year chicago experimented him as a C. He will be fine
Luke Schenn was never drafted to be an offensive player, alot of his blunders are mental mistakes and his only job was to play defence. **** goaltending didnt help either
Some players are just bad picks and dont pan out - Gagner(still a decent player though),Bailey(awful), and yes Schenn(hes only "bad" because people expected more from him) but i guess that didnt matter since filatov busted.to help your argument, you forgot Turris, who is an example of bad management.
TL;DR - 5 games won't hurt the kid at all, the only thing bad that could come from it is he could ACTUALLY get physically hurt. I guess we should play it safe for his development and just not let him play hockey at all.
Lets just forget all the 18 year olds who entered the league and were successful, hell you listed half of them. Patrick Kane sure isn't less of a threat or player after 2 down years.
Atomos2
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I would trade him. I think he's overhyped. His performance on the loosing Canadian team at the world juniors was disappointing. He's somewhat porous on not very physical on D so I am not sure on his long-term value is. Might as well trade him while he's overhyped. I think we wasted a 5th overall pick on this guy.
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I feel he should not even be at training camp let alone playing in the NHL right now, and this is not me knocking Rielly (I happen to think he has a high ceiling potential). The thing is going from the CHL to the NHL in 60 seconds without any transition is not a good thing for any 18/19 year old, Rielly needs to go back down to Moose Jaw where he can further dominate. Next year is when he goes to the AHL and learns how to transition himself in the minors, grow as a player and work on his weak spots, and then after he does that THEN fight for a roster spot. I feel Rielly right now is just walking into a position of failure, its hard enough playing in the NHL as a 18 year old rookie but here in Toronto he has to face the intense media scrutiny and fans, you just know if he has a bad game the media will be hounding him, and thats just not a fair position for the kid to be in. I really really hope MLSE does right by this kid and doesn't mess it up like it has so many times in the past.
I feel he should not even be at training camp let alone playing in the NHL right now, and this is not me knocking Rielly (I happen to think he has a high ceiling potential). The thing is going from the CHL to the NHL in 60 seconds without any transition is not a good thing for any 18/19 year old, Rielly needs to go back down to Moose Jaw where he can further dominate. Next year is when he goes to the AHL and learns how to transition himself in the minors, grow as a player and work on his weak spots, and then after he does that THEN fight for a roster spot. I feel Rielly right now is just walking into a position of failure, its hard enough playing in the NHL as a 18 year old rookie but here in Toronto he has to face the intense media scrutiny and fans, you just know if he has a bad game the media will be hounding him, and thats just not a fair position for the kid to be in. I really really hope MLSE does right by this kid and doesn't mess it up like it has so many times in the past.
