What should happen to Civic Arena site?

[Fordy]

Why is a team like the penguins quibbling over 5 or 10 percent. Ticket prices not high enough?

 

[blueliner18]

C.) they stole their businesses, homes, and property from them

or "nothing" I guess!!!!

First off... no homes, businesses or the like were ever there... or at least ones that functioned or that were kept well maintained within the last 15-20 years!!!!! ...but what the hell lets start a reservation land right in the middle of dauntaun Pittsburgh for these people... the victims of the heartless blood sucking Penguins organization.

 

[blueliner18]

I don't know but the "way you write" and general "ignorance" is "annoying" don't ya think!!!!!!'

Ignorance of what exactly????

 

[blueliner18]

As if Lemieux and Co. do not give back enough to this city already... now they have to find jobs to hand out, literally.

 

[Fordy]

First off... no homes, businesses or the like were ever there... or at least ones that functioned or that were kept well maintained within the last 15-20 years!!!!! ...but what the hell lets start a reservation land right in the middle of dauntaun Pittsburgh for these people... the victims of the heartless blood sucking Penguins organization.

You realize this happened more than 20 years ago right. No homes were ever there? Lol

You clearly know nothing about this situation. You're just making an ass of yourself.

"To make room for the arena, the city used eminent domain to displace 8,000 residents and 400 businesses from the lower Hill District."

 

[Fordy]

As if Lemieux and Co. do not give back enough to this city already... now they have to find jobs to hand out, literally.

Yep!!!!!! Or they could probably just give the land back. But you're right it's such a shame these million and billionaires can't have it both ways!!!!

 

[Fordy]

Ignorance of what exactly????

This board has a character limit so I don't know if I can make a post that long.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

You realize this happened more than 20 years ago right. No homes were ever there? Lol

You clearly know nothing about this situation. You're just making an ass of yourself.

"To make room for the arena, the city used eminent domain to displace 8,000 residents and 400 businesses from the lower Hill District."

The Pens as part of the arena deal committed over $1 million to a grocery store, something that Hill leaders had wanted for years, in the Hill, some other projects, and set aside a percentage of all jobs for Hill district priority in hiring.

That was after the Hill primarily torpedoed the Pens getting the arena deal with the casino, and the Pens almost left.

The Pens have done their share, and continue to do their share. The Hill still has priority on a nice percentage of all hires.

At some point you have to draw the line.

 

[Fordy]

The Pens as part of the arena deal committed over $1 million to a grocery store, something that Hill leaders had wanted for years, in the Hill, some other projects, and set aside a percentage of all jobs for Hill district priority in hiring.

That was after the Hill primarily torpedoed the Pens getting the arena deal with the casino, and the Pens almost left.

The Pens have done their share, and continue to do their share. The Hill still has priority on a nice percentage of all hires.

At some point you have to draw the line.

A grocery store, some other projects, and a percentage of jobs at the arena. So I guess if I took your home or your personal business you'd be down with that as a fair trade? Personally I draw the line at taking my house.

 

[VirginiaBob]

Yes, exactly what Pittsburgh needs, more subsidized housing projects that will bring in all the classy people. And place that subsidized housing right next to an area bringing in thousands of visitors every night. Makes sense.

 

[Fordy]

Yes, exactly what Pittsburgh needs, more subsidized housing projects that will bring in all the classy people.

Yes only the highest quality people for Pittsburgh. Can't they just be kept segregated?

Also the subsidized housing was there first.

 

[BreakfastatMarios]

I agree the Hill District was robbed by the city and they should have a major role in its redevelopment. The term "these people" comes off as offensive imo.

No clue as to what it should be, Indoor water park? or something fun.

 

[VirginiaBob]

Yes only the highest quality people for Pittsburgh. Can't they just be kept segregated?

Wouln't putting all the classy people living together in one area pretty much be a form of segregation?

 

[mikethelegacy]

All I have to say is that I used to spend $1300 on a 1 bedroom apartment living right next to the Arena, so if all of a sudden "affordable housing" starting popping up, I would be pretty pissed.

I lived there to stay away from the crime, not to have it brought closer to me. The Penguins owe nothing to the Hill District. After 30 years, if all the Hill District has done to clean up it's act is bet on the fact that the Pens and the city would build them a shiny new complex to house all of their residents, then that's their own damn fault.

Look at Lawrenceville, it's a perfect example of how a town can go from a slum, to an uprising, pricey place to live in under a decade. That was all done without pandering for help. Same can be said about what the Mayor is trying to do in Braddock.

 

[Fordy]

Wouln't putting all the classy people living together in one area pretty much be a form of segregation?

You can say black. Enough of the sarcastic code words.

And no, it's not, because people get to choose to live there, as much as you've made it clear they shouldn't be allowed to.

 

[Fordy]

All I have to say is that I used to spend $1300 on a 1 bedroom apartment living right next to the Arena, so if all of a sudden "affordable housing" starting popping up, I would be pretty pissed.

I lived there to stay away from the crime, not to have it brought closer to me. The Penguins owe nothing to the Hill District. After 30 years, if all the Hill District has done to clean up it's act is bet on the fact that the Pens and the city would build them a shiny new complex to house all of their residents, then that's their own damn fault.

Look at Lawrenceville, it's a perfect example of how a town can go from a slum, to an uprising, pricey place to live in under a decade. That was all done without pandering for help. Same can be said about what the Mayor is trying to do in Braddock.

You're right, kicking out 400 businesses really should have done a lot to help improve the area. Why can't they just be gentrified like nice lawrenceville?

 

[VirginiaBob]

You can say black. Enough of the sarcastic code words.

And no, it's not, because people get to choose to live there, as much as you've made it clear they shouldn't be allowed to.

Actually, I was thinking "poor", as in terms of "social class", hence the term "classy". But if you want to throw in the race card, go for it.

 

[PensPlz]

Building the area into a thriving commerce location will do a lot more good for the people of the Hill District, and Pittsburgh, than "affordable housing". By giving the people of the Hill District good job opportunities, the wealth of the area and income earned will literally trickle up back into their housing that already exists. And the taxes brought in will go back into the neighborhoods.

Wins all around. Don't turn Consol into the United Center. Place is ****ing horrible at night.

 

[Fordy]

Actually, I was thinking "poor", as in terms of "social class", hence the term "classy". But if you want to throw in the race card, go for it.

If you even read the first post in this thread you'd know the area is a center of black culture. Of course you don't come off any better referring to poor people that way either

 

[Fordy]

Building the area into a thriving commerce location will do a lot more good for the people of the Hill District, and Pittsburgh, than "affordable housing". By giving the people of the Hill District good job opportunities, the wealth of the area and income earned will literally trickle up back into their housing that already exists. And the taxes brought in will go back into the neighborhoods.

Wins all around. Don't turn Consol into the United Center. Place is ****ing horrible at night.

The job opportunities that the Penguins want to barter down to 10% less than they're asking for. They should employ ONLY hill district residents.

 

[mikethelegacy]

You're right, kicking out 400 businesses really should have done a lot to help improve the area. Why can't they just be gentrified like nice lawrenceville?

Dude, IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS. Get over it. I'm sure 99.9% of the people who were affected by Mellon arena have forgiven and forgotten long ago.

You can play the race card all you want, but it's about crime and income-level, not race.

Also, I'm not saying Lawrenceville is nice (i personally hate the place, too much traffic), but the place did a 180 on it's own, it wasn't given anything. The Hill could have done the same for the past 30+ years, but did nothing else to remedy their problems than sit back and wait for the Penguins to take care of them; not to mention blocked a casino deal that I'm sure would have brought them MAJOR tax money.

 

[blueliner18]

You realize this happened more than 20 years ago right. No homes were ever there? Lol

You clearly know nothing about this situation. You're just making an ass of yourself.

"To make room for the arena, the city used eminent domain to displace 8,000 residents and 400 businesses from the lower Hill District."

Right... and exactly why are the Penguins being held responsible for that NOW...? The Civic Arena was originally built in 1961 as an opera and theatrical house. I mean if the hill district should whine and complain to anyone it should be to the Pittsburgh SEA they owned the building... the Penguins were never owners of that building, and they did not decide to level it and make it a parking lot either, but I'm sure you already knew that since you seem to like spewing your wealth of knowledge all over this board in attempts to belittle others who hold different opinions than that of your own.

 

[blueliner18]

Dude, IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS. Get over it. I'm sure 99.9% of the people who were affected by Mellon arena have forgiven and forgotten long ago.

You can play the race card all you want, but it's about crime and income-level, not race.

Thank you, some more intelligence added to this thread.

 

[Fordy]

Dude, IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS. Get over it. I'm sure 99.9% of the people who were affected by Mellon arena have forgiven and forgotten long ago.

You can play the race card all you want, but it's about crime and income-level, not race.

30 years? Haha are you serious? Obviously no one's forgotten or this wouldn't even be an issue.

Are you implying race and income aren't related or something?

 

[Fordy]

Right... and exactly why are the Penguins being held responsible for that NOW...? The Civic Arena was originally built in 1961 as an opera and theatrical house. I mean if the hill district should whine and complain to anyone it should be to the Pittsburgh SEA they owned the building... the Penguins were never owners of that building, and they did not decide to level it and make it a parking lot either, but I'm sure you already knew that since you seem to like spewing your wealth of knowledge all over this board in attempts to belittle others who hold different opinions than that of your own.

They own the property now so guess what, they're responsible now.

Do you think, what, everyone from the 60s are dead now? This is ridiculous.